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Columbia Point Community Health Center

Editor User:Ephemerama made a change in the Columbia Point (Boston) article about Dr. H. Jack Geiger being affiliated with Tufts University as was Dr. Count Gibson when the Columbia Point Community Health Center was founded in 1965. I had to change the language since I could find no proof of this since it was unsourced. Geiger was later with Tufts (" ... he was chairman of the Department of Community Medicine at Tufts University Medical School (1968-71)") in his official current biography at GWU School of Public Health. Geiger was with Harvard before that but there is a hazy gap seemingly and admittedly. So I carefully changed the language and added citations. If there is clear citation, then it should be added in. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 01:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted the article to my previous edit regarding Dr. Geiger's affiliation with Tufts University at the time of the CPHC opening, and provided a citation. The records of the Delta Health Center contain a document, "Remarks by H. Jack Geiger, M.D., Associate Professor of Preventive Medicine at Tufts University School of Medicine and Co-Project Director of the Tufts Comprehensive Community Action Program. Presented at Dedication of Columbia Point Health Center, Saturday, 11 December 1965." So, it appears that at the time of the CPHC dedication, Geiger was affiliated with Tufts as both a grant project director and an associate professor. I hope this is sufficient! :) -Jessica ephemerama (talk) 6 January 2009 —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]
Thanks, Jessica. For the life of me, I cannot find the document you cited in the documents list in this link. The only references to Geiger are:
"Provenance
Received from Delta Health Center via John Hatch of the School of Public Health, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, in June 1992 and subsequent additions. The addition of 2004 was received from Jack Geiger of the City College of New York (Acc. 99730)."
and
"Transcript of Geiger/Bellin tape: 5 October 1966"
Neither of which is pertinent to the affiliation of Dr. H. Jack Geiger to Tufts in 1965.
Could you help as to where exactly it is said? If the document is in the collection and not available online, there is a problem in proof. Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 18:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
However, in a 1967 document, on Sargent Shriver's site, on page 5, it says that Gibson and Geiger were with Tufts at least in 1967 but perhaps retrospectively so "Remarks of Mr. Shriver at Comprehensive Health Services Press Conference. June 1, 1967". To wit:
"Grantee: Tufts University School Of Medicine, Medford, Massachusetts; Operating Institution: Tufts University School of Medicine-Department of Preventive Medicine; Project Director: Count Gibson, M.D., H. Jack Geiger, M.D., Professors of Preventative Medicine, Tufts University; Location: Columbia Point, Boston, Mass. and Bolivar County, Mississippi; Items of Special Interest: One of the original demonstration programs to contrast a model of a northern urban center with a southern rural one; Amount: $1,168,099, $138,888, $281,685, $3,417,630; Date Approved: 6/24/65, 8/65, 3/30/66, 1/15/67"
I'm not sure of this being 100% absolute proof but we can work with it. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 19:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bob - I have cited primary source material from the Delta Health Center records, which are physically held in the Southern Historical Collection. The document I linked to is a finding aid for that collection. A finding aid serves as a research tool; it does not actually provide digital scans of the collection contents. The document I cited is a part of the publicity materials in the collection. You'll find a listing in the finding aid under "Box 45 - FILE DRAWER: PUBLICITY, PHOTOS - Columbia Point Publicity" -this is where the document lives. The collection is comprised of roughly 24,000 items, and so, understandably, all of them cannot be listed, described, and/or transcribed.
Perhaps I am not familiar enough with the rules here...but I certainly hope we are allowed to cite sources that are not available online. Certainly many would argue that primary sources as as credible as they come.
- Jessica Ephemerama (talk) 19:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Jessica. That's excellent and what I thought. There is an odd line in the sand since some off-putting contributors have alluded to such sources which didn't exist in truth. So, we'll go with your kind discovery. As I mentioned, I've added my Shriver note, too. In an absolute academic and scholarly reality, one would have to corroborate this with the collections librarian at the site. But we can go with your input. Thanks very much. Best wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 20:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bob - That's very unfortunate about the nefarious contributors; I understand your need to be discerning. It might ease your mind to know that I am actually the archivist in charge of processing these particular papers at the Southern Historical Collection. I suppose in a totally Wikipedian reality, you'll just have to trust me on on that. :)
Best, Jessica
Ephemerama (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Jessica. I must confess to having suspected as much! :) You indeed already had my trust. As for other editors, I can't say in future how the article will pan out since I don't own it -- really, no one does -- which is contradistinct perhaps to a classical encyclopedia model. Many thanks. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 22:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
N.B. that this information has been changed on three articles apropos of your alert:
It's a sensation. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 22:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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