Talk:Clytemnestra

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Controversy

The article says "see controversy" Where is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.103.29 (talk) 22:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

We even have historical reason to believe that she survived: in an Athenian museum, we have a plate with an inscripted text, which speaks of the Zakynthian family, descendants since 30 generations of Cassandra of Troy. - We have historical record that Cassandra actually existed? Francis Burdett 16:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That one raised my eyebrows too. Any number of ancient figures claimed to trace their ancestry to some god or other, how is this any different? http://www.stubborn-lass.net/cassandra.php has the supposed text of the tablet. Ewx 17:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What's with the two seperate sections documenting virtually the same thing? This article could be much better organized.

Poorly written article in need of clean up.

--Okay, I've gone nuts on this thing trying to clean it up. What a mess! Hopefully now it's a bit more ready for content editing. Also, I got rid of the part about Cassandra existing. It may or may not be a valid fact, but regardless, it should be in Cassandra's wiki if anywhere, not Clytemnestra's. --74.98.35.122 23:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a minor change. Cassandra did not (in Aeschylus) enter the palace because she heard Agamemnon's death screams and his moans from sex with haides. She entered earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.45.30 (talk) 03:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i'm not the best classicist of greek mythology, but what this article sais about the death of agamemnon by the hand of some tantalus in "background" seems simply wrong to me .. doesn't the oresteia tell us that agamemnon was murdered by his wife clytemnestra and her lover? furthermore, tantalus is, through pelops the founder of the house of atreus. please correct me if i'm just launching out nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reni222 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In Euripide's Iphigenia, Euripides has Clytemnestra say that Agamemnon killed her first husband Tantalus and their young child, then kidnapped her and married her. It's the first and only mention of this story in all of Greek mythology, so it's just one of those things where tragedy was playing around with mythology. Ben 13:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're all wrong! Agamemnon was killed by Rose Byrne at the end of Troy! <sarcasm alert> Sheavsey33 (talk) 02:11, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There remains quite a bit of debate on rather Clytemnestra (and many of the other characters from the Trojan War epics) was a mythological figure or if she was based upon a historical figure. In the stories written about her, her characterization is varied....from the timid woman who was led astray by Aegisthus in Homer's accounts, to the deceitful, man-like figure portrayed by Aeschylus. Also, Agamemnon was not killed on stage in Aeschylus' version, so it remains debatable whether Clytemnestra killed Agamemnon herself or if Aegisthus struck some of the death blows himself. Kristijrn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC).[reply]

"In the tradition following the Sicilian lyric poet Stesichorus's Oresteia Clytemnestra used such a double-edged axe..." This is dubious. Stesichorus never actually discusses the axe; scholars infer that the head wound described in one fragment was caused by an axe. Further, neither Stesichorus nor any later authors specify whether the axe is double-edged. The connection with the Lydian labrys is tenuous at best. Slothbird 10:20, 17 February 2021

Questions

1. "In another version, her first husband was King of Lydia"

What would be the source for the version?

2. "In some myths Cassandra has twin sons by Agamemnon."

Which myths are these?

3. "According to some scholars, Cassandra was not murdered along with Agamemnon, but left Mycenae unharmed."

What are the names for the scholars and who are their sources?

ICE77 (talk) 06:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mother of Elektra

The article should definitely have a mention that Clytemnestra was also the mother of Elektra, who later grew up to kill her and thus avenge her father's murder. Smokey TheCat 13:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

opening section: femme fatale

Isn't the term 'femme fatale' someone's interpretation here? To me this warrants a citation at least, if not a quotation, but I would take it out altogether. What is the connection between the term 'femme fatale' and Clytemnestra? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grtrwaxmoth (talk • contribs) 15:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Appearance in later works

I'm not sure whether this would be deemed important or significant for inclusion, so I am posting it on this page for others to decide: In the award-winning book, "The Sparrow (novel)" by Mary Doria Russell (Villard Books, division of Random House, New York, 1996), the main character states, "Like Clytemnestra, I was compelled to master submission." This is the only reference that I encountered in the novel, but Submission is a main theme in Russell's story. Kathon (talk) 18:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Removed from the lead pending... Well, it just shouldn't be there.

(a) Wiki's WP:NOTADICTIONARY;

(b) it's unsourced;

(c) it's wrong;

(d), to the extent that anyone pronounces it that way (they don't), we'd need to list all the sourced variants of pronunciation which would needlessly bloat the lead sentence.

What was given was /ˌklaɪtəmˈniːstrə/ but almost all native English speakers are going to read it as /ˌklaɪtɪmˈnɛstrə/ (cf. also 2, 3, 4, &c. &c.) and even the proscriptivists (being proscriptive in this case over a mispronunciation of the Greek) don't agree: Merriam-Webster gives /ˌklaɪtəmˈnɛstrə/. Leave it off or add it to the Wiktionary entry. — $Llywelyn II$ 14:02, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]