Talk:Child labour

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"Child Labor : Threatening children to work to earn a living.

In India, if a boy/girl wants to read and write ,which basically implies that if he/she wishes to go to a school or college,he/she cant afford because they don't even have money for their food.So how is it going to be possible for them to go to the school and obviously the great amount of money needed for registration is not affordable for them.So the only way to do this is "EARN AND LEARN".This means in the day time they can have a part-time job which is sufficient enough for their studies."

Indian poverty and child abuse

“Child labour is still widely used today in many countries, including India and Bangladesh. CACL estimated that there are between 70 and 80 million child labourers in India.”

See also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1pXVAeyisQ

shouldnt UNICEF be included with these links?

Child Labor's Decrease Over the Years In USA

In 1916 and 1918, congress passed laws that would apply equally to all American children, however the Supreme Court declared them unconstitutional because they denied children the freedom to contract work.

During the Great Depression, child labor decreased for adults more deserately needed a job more than children. During that time, there was a high unemployment rate along with a growing need for a better-educated work force. This gradually decreased the rate in child labor.

In 1938, Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Fair Labor Standards Act, which set a minimum wage and maximum hour standards for all workers and it additionaly placed limitations on child labor (15 and under could not manufacture nor mine). The law was amended in 1949.

Even with the laws we have today, there are many illegal child labor in USA. Hine, Russell Freedman ; with photographs by Lewis (1994). Kids at work : Lewis Hine and the crusade against child labor. New York: Clarion Books. pp. 93–97. ISBN 0395587034.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Year	Event
1916, 1918	Congress passed laws, however they got rejected.
1938	Roosevelt signed the Fair Labor Standards Act.
1930-1940	Great depression.
1949	The law was amended.

Inappropriate Tone In The "Potential Benefits" Section

Currently the section titled "Potential Benefits" is written in a tone that is entirely inappropriate for an encyclopedia, and the phrasing seems to favor looser child labor restrictions.

The section at present (09th of May 2023, 22:00 GMT+05:30)

"The term child labour can be misleading when it confuses harmful work with employment that may be beneficial to children. It can also ignore harmful work outside employment and any benefits children normally derive from their work. Domestic work is an example: all families but the rich must work at cleaning, cooking, caring, and more to maintain their homes. In most families in the world, this process extends to productive activities, especially herding and various types of agriculture, and to a variety of small family businesses. Where trading is a significant feature of social life, children can start trading in small items at an early age, often in the company of family members or of peers. Work is undertaken from an early age by vast numbers of children in the world and may have a natural place in growing up. Work can contribute to the well-being of children in a variety of ways; children often choose to work to improve their lives, both in the short- and long-term. At the material level, children's work often contributes to producing food or earning income that benefits themselves and their families; and such income is especially important when the families are poor. Work can provide an escape from debilitating poverty, sometimes by allowing a young person to move away from an impoverished environment. Young people often enjoy their work, especially paid work, or when work involves the company of peers. Even when work is intensive and enforced, children often find ways to combine their work with play. While full-time work hinders schooling, empirical evidence is varied on the relationship between part-time work and school. Sometimes even part-time work may hinder school attendance or performance. On the other hand, many poor children work for resources to attend school. Children who are not doing well at school sometimes seek more satisfactory experience in work. Good relations with a supervisor at work can provide relief from tensions that children feel at school and home. In the modern world, school education has become so central to society that schoolwork has become the dominant work for most children, often replacing participation in productive work. If school curricula or quality do not provide children with appropriate skills for available jobs or if children do nor have the aptitude for schoolwork, school may impede the learning of skills, such as agriculture, which will become necessary for future livelihood." 112.134.164.173 (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

The § Potential positives section was merged from Child Work in 2016, after the article was nominated for deletion (see Talk:Child labour/Archive 1#Potential positives of children working). I agree that the section is written like a personal essay or reflection, with undue weight on minority views, and not in an appropriate encyclopedic tone. Two editors in the previous discussion I linked to both expressed negative opinions about the content of the section, with User:Aircorn specifically stating, In my opinion the section I just merged does not improve this article.

I suggest deleting the section entirely, unless an editor with expertise in this area steps in and rewrites it in an encyclopedic tone from a neutral point of view. 2602:FC24:13:1:E4F7:9065:0:1 (talk) 16:01, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't see it as inappropriate tone, and it appears to be reasonably sourced, thought the last sentence seems only to be true for undeveloped countries. I support keeping it. The statements may need to be verified as to whether they accurately paraphrase their sources, I have not looked into that. Many sentences seem overly broad as there will be huge differences between the benefits/negatives of work in industrialized countries as opposed to subsistence farming communities. ---Avatar317^(talk) 05:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

There are definitely sections that do not meet the appropriate definition as defined here in my opinion.

Furthermore, some sections make statements that are not relevant to the topic and are only present as a defense for child labor more than pointing out any potential benefit

"Even when work is intensive and enforced, children often find ways to combine their work with play"

This sentence does not point out any potential benefits of child work, but rather acts as defense of forced child labor. The sole purpose of this sentence is to soften the image of enforced child labor and it does not provide any useful information related to the subtopic.

The sentence that precedes this sentence talks about how children potentially might enjoy their work is also not written in an appropriate tone as it is phrased as a definite statement, instead of being phrased like "Some studies suggest children may potentially enjoy their work...."

The same can be said about the entirety of this section.

The other thing to be mentioned here is this section focuses more on child work that would not fall under the definition of child labor as defined above in this article.(For reference, child labor is defined as "the exploitation of children through any form of work that deprives them of their childhood" in the article) M. Adelina (talk) 14:55, 30 July 2023 (UTC)