Talk:Chekhov (disambiguation)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 08:05, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

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Chekhov → Chekhov (disambiguation) – Enables us to treat Anton Chekhov as the primary meaning. PatGallacher (talk) 11:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose; no argument presented that Anton is the primary meaning. Powers ^T 17:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
• Comment: I'm indifferent to the move, but Anton is overwhelmingly the primary meaning. Easily in the top five most famous playwrights of all time.  • DP •  ^{huh?} 18:08, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. I thought this was fairly obvious. Tne only other meaning I had even heard of was the Star Trek character, and I defy people to claim that he is of equivalent notability to a writer of Anton's stature. PatGallacher (talk) 19:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter that he's the most notable. The only consideration is whether he is more likely -- overwhelmingly so -- to be the subject sought by a search for "Chekhov" than all other uses combined. That has nothing to do with notability. Powers ^T 12:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. —  AjaxSmack  04:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
  • On what grounds do you assert that there is a primary topic for this title? Powers ^T 12:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Plain common sense, I think. PatGallacher (talk) 14:59, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
      • I don't think it's as obvious as you do, which is why I'm asking for an actual argument to be put forth rather than simple assertions of primacy. Powers ^T 19:22, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
    • Alright, if I have to. There is only one item at Chekhov (disambiguation) simply called "Chekhov", a Russian town of a few myriad (Chekhov, Moscow Oblast). The rest of the items on the page are largely people with the last name Chekhov that strictly shouldn't even be on the page (per MOS:DABNAME/WP:PTM) but are fine in this case since the list length is manageable. Of those, both the only person referred to consistently as "Chekhov" and the primary understanding of Chekhov to a general worldwide English-reading audience is Anton Chekhov. If someone were to say, "I enjoy reading Chekhov", "I studied Chekhov", or "Chekhov died of consumption", it unambiguously refers to the writer. The status of the Chekhov article as a Vital Article (expanded list) is something that WP:PRIMARYTOPIC also says should be taken into consideration. —  AjaxSmack  00:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
• The most likely subject sought by a search of "Chekhov" is directly indexed to the subject's notability. As one of the most famous playwrights in the world for the last century, the evidence for Anton's priority over the other senses is overwhelming and readily available for anyone who cares to look. A cursory glance at the page view statistics for the two most likely candidates, for example, reveals x5 more views for Anton. Google searches, book searches, scholar searches all support the obvious.  • DP •  ^{huh?} 11:00, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
• Support, per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. What _would_ be the alternative primary topic? The Star Trek character? Should we then move Homer to a disambiguation page? Tevildo (talk) 21:36, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Pavel Chekov

I have split out Pavel Chekov as a separate entry, in spite of the redundancy with the Chekhov (surname) entry. I think it's very likely that a large proportion of searches are actually for this fictional character (wouldn't surprise me if it were more than for the playwright). --Trovatore (talk) 06:24, 17 September 2013 (UTC)