Talk:Boys Don't Cry (1999 film)/Archive 1

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Bowie?

I just finished watching the movie a few minutes before looking up the article, and I don't recall seeing David Bowie. I also checked the IMDb page for the movie, as well as Bowie's page there, and neither mention this cameo. I know that IMDb is user-generated and not perfect (much like a slower version of a wiki), but they're usually pretty thorough when it comes to big names like him. I'm removing the mention from the article, and if someone wishes to revert this removal, please cite a reliable source to support your claim. - Ugliness Man 18:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedic Quality

This article really needs to be re-written. It sounds like an advertisement or perhaps a criticism or review not an encyclopedic article. It is important for the author to maintain a certain detachment from the subject matter. 16:00, 4 Jan 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.173.38.3 (talk) 20:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Criticism from transexual groups?

I remember reading once a criticism from a transexual group (or perhaps just one person) who felt it didn't accurately potray what it meant to be transexual and instead potrayed Brandon Teena as simply being a confused invidual (although this wasn't the impression I got from watching it) rather then a man in a woman's body. If this criticism could be reliably sourced it should be added, especially if it's a common one. Nil Einne 20:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 10:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Awards list for integration

I'm in the process of migrating a huge chunk of awards data from the Christine Vachon article into the relevant articles for each film. In this case, there's already a quite well-formatted list of the major awards, so I'm parking the migrating list here until I or someone else get time to go through it and reformat relevant examples to match what's in the article already.

2000 Academy Awards - Best Actress in a Leading Role - Hilary Swank; nominated for Best Actress in a Supporting Role (Chloe Sevigny)

2000 Golden Globes - Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture - Hilary Swank; nominated for Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role (Chloe Sevigny)

2001 BAFTA Awards - nominated for Best Performance by and Actress in a Leading Role (Hilary Swank)

1999 National Board of Review, USA - Breakthrough Performance, Female - Hilary Swank; Outstanding Directorial Debut - Kimberly Peirce

2000 Independent Spirit Awards - Best Female Lead - Hilary Swank; Best Supporting Female - Chloe Sevigny; nominated for Best First Feature, Best First Screenplay (Kimberly Peirce) and Producers Award (Eva Kolodner)

1999 European Film Awards - Screen International Award - Kimberly Peirce

1999 Chicago International Film Festival - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

1999 Boston Society of Film Critics Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best New Filmmaker - Kimberly Peirce; Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny

1999 London Film Festival - FIPRESCI Prize

1999 Los Angeles Film Critics Association Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny

1999 New York Film Critics Circle Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

1999 St Louis International Film Festival - Audience Choice Award

1999 Stockholm International Film Festival - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best Screenplay - Kimberly Peirce; FIPRESCI Prize

1999 Toronto Film Critics Association Awards - Best Female Performance - Hilary Swank

2000 Young Hollywood Awards - Best Director - Kimberly Peirce; Best Screenwriter - Kimberly Peirce & Andy Bienen

2000 National Society of Film Critics Awards, USA - Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny

2000 Florida Film Critics Circle Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Broadcast Film Critics Association Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Chicago Film Critics Association Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny

2000 Chlotrudis Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Las Vegas Film Critics Society Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank; Best Director; Best Adapted Screenplay; Best Supporting Actress - Chloe Sevigny; Most Promising Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Santa Fe Film Critics Circle Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

2000 Satellite Awards - Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture, Drama - Hilary Swank; Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role - Chloe Sevigny

2000 Southeastern Film Critics Association Awards - Best Actress - Hilary Swank

Gusworld (talk) 10:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Plot / spoiler

Hey, I've moved the line nothing the difference between the plot of the film and the actual events because it's a spoiler. I guess this is a start to the plot section but as I've not seen the film I can't write the rest of it :) trolleymusic 04:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Um, the plot synopsis itself is a bit of a mess. Who is Lambert? And the last line seems to imply that the baby is Lana's?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.140.182 (talk) 11:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing about the baby comment at the end of the synopsis. The film doesn't show any baby of Lana's at the end while she's driving in the car. It only states that she returned to Fall City to raise her baby, hence I am removing that comment.Feudonym (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC

The intro paragraph still contains a pretty big spoiler. "Brandon Teena, a trans man who was raped and murdered on December 31, 1993 by his male friends after they found out he had female genitalia." Could this be moved to the plot? MAH! (talk) 22:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

"Hilary Swank lied to director Kimberly Peirce"

Swank said she was 21 (which indeed she was up until July 30, 1996) and that she was from Linocoln, Nebraska. Well, guess what, she is from Lincoln, Nebraska, so that's not a lie, so that needs to be changed in the article. And what month was the audition? What proof do we have that it was in the final 5 months of 1996? At the very least, the point about being from Lincoln Nebraska not being a lie needs to be cleared up in the article. Verifiable proof of the audition date needs to be presented as well. Softlavender (talk) 06:51, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Boys Don't Cry (film)/GA1

Gender of Brandon in the Plot section

I propose that the gender of Brandon's character should be changed to "he" in the Plot section, or at least he/she, since part of the message of the movie is that gender is not defined solely by anatomy. KaterGator 04:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

"He" would be more appropriate than any other option, it would seem, since Teena self-identified as male. If gender is not determined by anatomy, then it is determined by the identity of the person (ie personality). (This is not to be confused for choice, of course.) Kasreyn 15:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
It should at least be made consistent, because Brandon is referred to as 'he' and 'she' alternately throughout the article. I agree with the proposal that Brandon's character be referred to consistently as male, but at the very least the flip-flopping between 'he' and 'she' is pointless and confusing. 131.128.160.87 17:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Now Seriously people Im not trying to ruffle any feathers here but it is obviously incorrect ot refer to a full fledged woman as a man. A persons genitals are the only thing that goes into definig their sex and obviousy TEENA BRANDON(HER REAL NAME) had female genitalia. Furthermore as a full fledged man I am very offended by your attempt to describe this woman as a man and im mulling over contacting the ACLU. Duke Patton

"as a full fledged man I am very offended by your attempt to describe this woman as a man" - Even if this self-identified man was a woman, why should you be offended by any attempt to describe him as a man? Do you see it as debasing men? Could you really be so blatantly sexist? 193.146.58.181 (talk) 21:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I suggest reading articles on transgender and gender identity, as well as paying attention to Wikipedia's manual of style on identity, before making any more incorrect blanket statements on gender and genitalia. Kolindigo 02:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Did Teena Brandon have a penis? or testicles? The answer of course is no. This means beyond the shadow of a doubt that "it" was not a woman. So what was "it"? Well "it"... did have a vagina, thus SHE was a WOMAN. Now of course I make these assumptions off of silly old science and I know that must seem ridiculous to someone who is basing definitions of gender on an online encylopedia's guidelines. Please forgive me. And let me assume now that even the most basic scientific truths have no merit or meaning on this website for they maybe offensive to some people. Duke Patton 22:44, 7 August 2007.

I believe that in the case of this film, we need to respect the director's interpretation of the story. My understanding is that the director portrayed the character of Brandon Teena as self-identifying as male and thus the masculine pronouns should be used. Possible references for this are The Secret Behind "Boys Don't Cry" and 'Boys Don't Cry' filmmaker saw past violence to love. ZueJay (talk) 23:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this has anything to do with respecting the director's interpretation. Please refer to Wikipedia's Manual of Style, specifically with regard to how Wikipedians are to write on subjects' identity. I quote:
Where known, use terminology that subjects use for themselves (self-identification). This can mean using the term an individual uses for himself or herself, or using the term a group most widely uses for itself. This includes referring to transgender individuals according to the names and pronouns they use to identify themselves.
Therefore, Mr. Teena should be referred to throughout Wikipedia consistently by the name Brandon and with the male pronoun forms ("he", "his", etc.). "Duke Patton" refers to science, but any scholarly journal or academic institution would certainly require this same style. Therefore I find myself curious about what sort of institute Mr. Patton acquired his appreciation for science from. Cheers, Kasreyn 15:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I made the simple point that someone born a woman is always a woman whether they like it or not. Obviously science would back me up there. It's ironic that only an elitist such as yourself could possibly deny the most basic and obvious truths, get a grip.DukePatton 01:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)DukePatton

I know I am joining this topic way late, however I do feel this is worth pointing out: Without looking at anything about gender and pronoun usages this conversation is really this simple: If you have male reproductive organs you are a MALE: female reproductive organs FEMALE If you portray yourself to the world (ie dress and act) as a MAN then you are a MAN, WOMAN then you are a WOMAN. Sex & Gender are 2 diffrent things. Pronouns should be based on gender, scientific information sex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacekeeper 1234 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

HE is a She

This article is so bias I cant just put a wig on and call myself a women as cant Brandon cant cut her hair and call herself a man. Change it to the facts and not to the authors personal beliefs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.196.145 (talk) 20:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

That's right. Why is Teena Brandon, a woman, constantly being referred to as "he" and a trans-gender person? No amount of wishing turns a clearly lesbian woman into a man. There was a warning to radicals before in the film MONTY PYTHON'S LIFE OF BRIAN, where a radical separatist Hebrew group are at the stadium discussing among themselves, and Stan (Eric Idle) asks everyone to call him Loretta because he wants to have babies. The humour of the situation comes from the fact that reality intervenes against his human wishes ("Where's the fetus going to gestate, in a box?") and why the group should pass it as a resolution that it's his/her right to have babies even if he/she can't have babies ("It's symbolic of his struggle against oppression!" [John Cleese:] "It's symbolic of his struggle against reality!")

I guess any Wikipedia article "of interest" to an activist gay group instantly has a dam built up so reality likewise doesn't flow in!

I also see it as inappropriate likening the life of Teena Brandon to Matthew Shepard. Teena Brandon deceived people and ruined their lives.

99.254.36.133 (talk) 00:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome to your opinion, but here's what Wikipedia's policy on the matter says:
  • Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to using the gendered nouns, pronouns, and possessive adjectives that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. This applies when referring to any phase of that person's life. Nevertheless, avoid confusing or seemingly logically impossible text that could result from pronoun usage (for example: She fathered her first child). - Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Identity
To make a case, one should get a clarification on that wording as it can be confusing. "Gender" (a purely physical/genetic fact) isn't the same as "gender identity". The place to have this discussion is on the MOS talk page. In this case there is a conflict between the actual gender (female, which "might [not] be questioned") and her self-identification as a transgendered FM male, which hadn't occurred. Filmfluff (talk) 02:18, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
You're mixing up sex and gender. Sex (while it can be changed, and often is by transgendered people, hence transsexualism) is a biological fact; gender is synonymous with gender identity. 193.146.58.181 (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

As posted above in the other gender/sex talk section: Without looking at anything about gender and pronoun usages this conversation is really this simple: If you have male reproductive organs you are a MALE: female reproductive organs FEMALE If you portray yourself to the world (ie. dress and act) as a MAN then you are a MAN, WOMAN then you are a WOMAN. Sex & Gender are 2 diffrent things. Pronouns should be based on gender, scientific information sex.--PeaceKeeper1234 20:48, 23 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacekeeper 1234 (talk • contribs)

This discussion is hilarious! So, supposing Brandon had lived, 'he' could've become pregnant and delivered a child? I'm not going to argue with Wikipedia's style sheet since I'm not a contributor, but sometimes identity politicking is just over the top. You can try and police language to fit your agenda, but you can't make language whip reality into line, no matter how many gender study professors you enlist. So maybe Brandon is not a woman, but he sure as hell isn't a man either. If I insist I'm a whelk, would a post mortem wiki about me use the pronoun 'it'? Great movie by the way and a great performance from both Mr. Swank and Ms. Sevigny. //roger.duprat.copenhagen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.209.221.205 (talk) 02:10, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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Requesting semi-protection

Since May 16, this article has been subjected to pronoun-related vandalism from three different IP addresses, which I have reverted each time. In order to help prevent this, could the article be protected so only autoconfirmed users can edit it? Equivamp - talk 17:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Pronoun-related vandalism....that's one for the ages! "Hey, did you hear; John and Rich got expelled! Pronoun-related vandalism. The cops caught them red-handed in the computer lab!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.33.208.179 (talk) 22:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

GID or transsexual?

I believed this was a story about a person with [Gender Identity Disorder] rather than a "transsexual man". Does anybody know what the author intended to tell? - K.T., 16:08, 12 Oct.06 Osaka, Japan

In response to this: you're right, he is not theoretically a transsexual. However, it was never pressumed that he was. In order to really be a transsexual in the common understanding of the word, he would have had to have had gender reassignment surgery-- but that goes into pre-opperation transsexual vs. post op. transsexual. That's why I think it was good that the person who wrote this article reffered to him as transgender instead-- its less confusing. Transgender: a person whose self-identification challenges traditional notions of gender and sexuality; including transexuals and others who don't conform to tradtions of male/female and/or heterosexual/homosexual. I personally don't really like the term "gender identity crisis" it makes transgenderism sound wrong - a crisis- and like its only a phase. But that's just my opinion. I hope this helps clear things up 71.232.90.133 02:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC) A

So-called Gender Identity Disorder is the false pathologisation of transgender identities, and to a lesser extent other traits and tendencies which deviate from contemporary ideas on gender roles, and is a stick used by the psychiatric community to beat transgender people and to a lesser extent other LGBT people and feminists, more in the past than now although it has by no means disappeared. But you're correct to say Teena wasn't transsexual in that he hadn't started any medical proceedings (ie, hadn't taken measures to alter his biological sex); he fit into the broader category of transgender. 193.146.58.181 (talk) 21:33, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Or one could say...so-called transgenderism is the false normalization of people with Gender Identity Disorder who, despite having normal male or female genitalia, develop a psychosocial fixation upon manifesting traits and tendencies of the opposite gender, and is a stick used by the LGBT community to beat psychiatrists and to a lesser extent others who point out the obvious fact that anyone who identifies with their opposite gender has issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.33.208.179 (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

If you read the Wikipedia article about transgenderism you will see that there has been a lot of research about the subject and nothing of it seems anything like you describe. Right now your language use appears quite ignorant and almost bigoted. Please site research when claiming something not your own opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.208.249 (talk) 18:47, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

FA candidate?

This message is primarily addressed to the regular contributors to this article, although anyone is free to comment. I think that this article meets the FA criteria and would like to nominate it. However, I would like to make sure that some more regular contributors agree with the nomination. Quite honestly, I think that this article is brilliant and extensive. It passed the GA review a few years ago with flying colors, and it's one of the best sources of information on the film out there. Thanks, BenLinus1214talk 01:22, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm not a substantial or regular contributor to the article although I've had it on my Watchlist for a while. Skimming through it, it does look very good. My only concern is that, due to the controversial nature of the film it (like the article on Brandon Teena) is subject to periodic vandalism. However being an FA may actually improve that situation and keep more eyes on it, so perhaps it's a good idea all around. Softlavender (talk) 01:31, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
What about page protection? That seems like it's been brought up a few times. Have there been objections to a request for page protection or it just hasn't gotten done? BenLinus1214talk 00:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, semi-protection might be in order if vandalism becomes prevalent or persistent. Softlavender (talk) 01:02, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Comments from FAC

Below are my comments from the FAC nomination, along with a last few from the latter sections. I hope these will be helpful in taking the last steps toward FAC. If I can clarify anything/be of any further help, please feel free to contact me on my talk page. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:46, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments from JM

Oppose, suggest withdrawal. An interesting topic, but the article seems to fall a little short. Though this certainly isn't a bad article, issues with sourcing, neutrality, writing and non-free content all add up to it needing more work yet.

  • "The film has been cited as one of the most controversial and talked-about films of 1999" Where is your source for this? You don't seem to say it in the article proper.
  • "Brandon Teena was never his legal name; it is uncertain the extent to which this name was used prior to his death. It is the name most commonly used by the press and other media. Other names may include his legal name, as well as "Billy Brenson" and "Teena Ray"." Could we have a source/sources for this?
  • "In the Boys Don't Cry commentary contained on the 2000 and 2009 DVD release of the film, director Kimberly Peirce states that she admired the way Brandon behaved towards women, especially the good will and generosity he showed them." Why do we need this?
  • "Peirce began working on a concept for the film and gave it the working title Take It Like a Man." Reference?
  • "Peirce co-wrote the screenplay with Andy Bienen. They worked together for a year and a half on the final drafts and made sure they did not "mythologize" Brandon; the aim was to keep him as human as possible." Reference?
  • "at her home" Whose home?
  • "Peirce also interviewed Tisdel's mother. She also interviewed" Repetition
  • "Much factual information was incorporated into Boys Don't Cry, including Nissen being an arsonist, and the games of chicken and joy riding that were a common pastime of the real Lotter, Nissen, and Brandon." Reference? Also, "games of chicken" and "joy riding" may be unfamiliar terms- links?
  • "The LGBT community was highly interested in the project because of all the publicity the murder had received." I don't like the fact that this is sourced to Pierce. If you don't have a third-party source, perhaps you could clarify that this was Pierce's claim.
  • We do have a better picture of Sevigny- are you attached to that one for some reason?
  • You use the word "pants" a few times- is this not a little informal?
  • "Peirce had envisioned only two actors for the role of Lana Tisdel: a young Jodie Foster and Chloë Sevigny, who had prior credits in mostly independent films. Peirce had decided to cast Sevigny based on her impressive performance in The Last Days of Disco (1998).[27] Sevigny had auditioned for the role of Brandon,[28] but Peirce decided that Sevigny would be suited playing Tisdel.[29][30]" This almost reads like three different stories- I think this needs to be restructured.
  • "The film portrays a double murder when in actuality a third person, Phillip DeVine, a black disabled man, was killed at the scene. At the time he had been dating Lana Tisdel's sister, Leslie Tisdel." Is this intended as an example? If so, perhaps "For example, the film portrays a only double murder, when in actuality a third person, Phillip DeVine—a black disabled man—was killed at the scene. At the time, he had been dating Lana Tisdel's sister, Leslie Tisdel."
  • "perspective, his imagination, and the way he perceived things" I'm not clear what the difference for the first and last is.
  • "The bumper-skiing scene was delayed when a police officer, just arriving at a shift change, required that a large lighting crane be moved from one side of the road to the other. The scenes took six hours to shoot and ended up being filmed at sunrise, which resulted in a blue sky in the background." First, I'm not sure what the "shift change" thing is about, second, you refer to the scene even though this scene has not been mentioned yet, and third, I do not know what bumper-skiing is.
  • "A flood gave the cast and crew a "mud bath" and resulted in some of the filming equipment being stuck in mud. Radio wires in some of the scenes conflicted with the sound production. Swank required a stunt double for the scene in which she falls off the back of a truck. Teena's rape scene was given an extended filming time, and Sexton, who portrayed the attacker, walked away in tears afterward." This is just a list of facts.
  • You're going to need to do something about that "clarification needed" tag.
  • Is File:Boysdontcryrollerrinkscene.JPG an artificial combination of four separate screenshots? You can't do that- there's no reason that four screenshots in one JPG is any more acceptable than four separate screenshots. If there were four separate screenshots, people would be opposing based on the excessive use of non-free content.
  • "the striking transition shots seen throughout the film" Non-neutral.
  • "he visual style is often dark, saturated, and raw, depicting the harsh Midwestern United States" Again.
  • "the violent, emotionally charged scenes" Again (also, repetition of "scene").
  • "During a very compressed prep period" Colloquial tone
  • "She also watched several of her favorite" Who's "she"?
  • "Peirce also used the same shots in the opening roller rink scene (where Brandon pursues his first relationship with a young girl) that were used in The Wizard of Oz (1939) when Dorothy first left her house and entered the land of Oz. The scene consists of a three shot sequence meant to symbolize a metaphoric "entrance to manhood" for Brandon." I'm afraid I don't follow this. Presumably you don't mean that footage from The Wizard of Oz was used, but, if not, I'm unclear on what you do mean.
  • "Peirce also used the same shots ... backdrop of the city skyline." This is apparently all unsourced.
  • "Time lapse photography is used in several sequences, most significantly in the scene where Brandon and Lana discuss plans to tell the family that she has "seen him in the full-flesh", and when Lana is seen driving on the highway after Brandon's murder, before the credits appear." Source?
  • "The Boys Don't Cry soundtrack features a compilation of country and rock music from the film." Unclear. Of course the soundtrack contains music from the film- that's what a soundtrack is? Or do you mean a soundtrack album?
  • "1988 country-pop hit" Non-neutral tone
  • Who performs the "Boys Don't Cry" cover?
  • ""The Bluest Eyes in Texas" was played when Hilary Swank went onstage to receive her Academy Award for Best Actress in 2000." Unsourced. In any case, is this important?
  • "This summarization strengthens the academic view that the film is about the search for freedom and identity in a society where diversity is rarely accepted" That's a very strange claim. Why would a tagline/advertising campaign strengthen an academic view? What does your source say?
  • Actually, that's not a reliable source. It's a student essay "published" through something resembling a vanity press. There is no peer review or editorial oversight. Unless the status of the author gives us reason to think otherwise, the source should be removed.
  • "is even uttered" Tone.
  • "and some critics even cite parallels" Tone. What makes you think Herz is a critic?
  • "Some critics noted that the film was about the illusions often produced by love or a strong relationship." Source? Also, weasel words.
  • "Critics and academics have attributed Boys Don't Cry's success" You only seem to have one source, here.
  • "many commentators" Ditto.
  • "Critics have called the film a" Again.
  • "describing Brandon—heroic and fatally flawed—as this spirit who was murdered when angry townspeople discovered who he really was." Source?
  • "Brandon yearns for ... critics suggest Boys Don't Cry "raises the broader, widely explored issue of masculinity in crisis"." Is this all sourced to footnote 51 (which is malformed)? Similar tone/plural "critics" problems.
  • "some scholars and authors" Weasel words cited to a single source.
  • "Boys Don't Cry premiered ... in the United Kingdom." Unsourced paragraph.
  • "The film won a variety of awards, with the majority of wins going to Swank for her performance" Swank winning and he film winning are different things? Same mistake made a few times in that paragraph.
  • "Some critics called the film one of" Again. Weasel words, and "some" implies more than one.
  • "The performances of Swank and Sevigny were picked out as some of the film's strongest elements, with many critics declaring Swank's performance to be "one of the greatest" in recent years. Swank was considered an immediate favourite to win Best Actress at various film awards, including the 72nd Academy Awards." Unsourced, same issues.
  • "Boys Don't Cry became one of the most applauded films of the year." Source?
  • "She ended up calling Boys Don't Cry "the best film of the year"." Source?
  • "Emanuel Levy of Variety Magazine ... a place to call home." Source?
  • "Premiere voted" Magazines(?) can't vote.
  • "The real Lana Tisdel ... Brandon Teena"." Unsourced...
  • The "Awards and nominations" section is completely unsourced.
  • "A DVD version ... different cover art." Unsourced.
  • "Exact technical ... picture quality." Source?
  • "Swank later apologized, but many transgender activists asserted that she was correct in referring to Teena as a man, as this was the gender in which Teena preferred to live and act." Unsourced. (Unsourced criticism of a living person?)
  • Your "Moss and Zeavin" source is malformed. I'm not really clear what's being cited.
  • Your source formatting generally is a little inconsistent, and some information may be missing. This is the kind of thing which needs to be cleaned up before FAC.

It's clear that some good work has gone into this article, but I do not think that it's ready for FAC yet. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:46, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

The Cure

The title of the film is also the name of a song by The Cure. Is this a coincidence? Should it be added? The Cure page links here...

The song plays around the end. The article mentions that it's a cover, but it's the real version. pfl (talk) 23:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Boys Don't Cry also an 80's band, I believe. Needs a disambiguation link.66.135.89.24 (talk) 21:24, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I doubt that anyone looking for the band would type in "Boys Don't Cry (film)". They might type "Boys Don't Cry", which links to a disambiguation (dab) page, which includes the band and the song. BenLinus1214talk 23:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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