Talk:Bean dip/GA1

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Reviewer: Jclemens (talk · contribs) 04:49, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. Meh. Issues identified for correction.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. No issues identified
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. Fine
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Fine
2c. it contains no original research. None noted.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. Clean bill of health from automated search.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. I would like to see some history or culinary evolution of the humble bean dip, including cultural transfer, rather than just a description of contemporaneous bean dips, but that's not a fail.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). Detail level is about right.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. It's a food. I'm assuming that people who don't like it aren't going to write treatises condemning it.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. Almost TOO stable. No changes since nomination six weeks ago? Weird.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. All fine.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. Good variety of photos, almost too many really, but one thing missing would be a side view (in a transparent serving dish, obviously) of a multi-layer dip showing the distinct ingredients and highlighting the bean dip layer.
7. Overall assessment. Passing per improvements.

First read-through

  • "Various types of bean varieties are used" Lose one "vari*" word from that sentence, please.
  • "Various additional ingredients are used in its preparation, such as onion, garlic, chili peppers and spices, among others, and it is sometimes garnished with various ingredients." Ditto here. You at least need to lose 'among others', but again you would still be left with two 'various'es.
  • "Various types of beans can be used in bean dip's preparation" How about "...in the preparation of bean dip" Possessive construction seems an odd choice here, and in at least one other spot further down in the article.
  • "creating a product with a creamier mouthfeel." Gotta admit 'mouthfeel' is a new one on me. How about a cite and a more conventional wording for that, eh?
  • "Canned beans may have some saltiness," Some saltiness is fine, but if you're talking about removing or reducing it, wouldn't it be excessive saltiness?
  • I rewrote the sentence to read "Canned beans may have a salty flavor..." (diff), as per what the source states. The source does not state that the saltiness is excessive, only that it exists. North America1000 16:12, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Prepared canned green chili peppers are also sometimes used, which adds flavor." Subject/verb agreement: should be 'add'.
  • I rewrote the sentence to read "Prepared canned green chili peppers are also sometimes used." (diff). The source simply states that the canned green chili peppers are used as an ingredient. I removed the part about adding flavor. North America1000 16:16, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Myriad additional ingredients..." First off, thanks for not saying "various". However, the organization of the list seems pretty haphazard and ungrammatical. Near as I can tell you've got three sub-categories of ingredients: spices, non-spices, and water. Garlic is your second item, for instance, while 'spices' (of which garlic is one) are listed later.
  • I rewrote this placing ingredients now in the order of plant-based foods/vegetables, wet/moist/liquid-based ingredients, and spices. Check it out now. North America1000 16:27, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • In Commercial Varieties two sentences in a row start with "Some commercial bean dips..."
  • "Bean dip can be prepared as or used as an ingredient in a seven-layer dip, which includes the addition of ingredients such as..." again with the overly wordy ingredient introductions, but at least the article is consistent.

Overall, other than various cringeworthy prose points, which you can surely correct, this appears withing striking distance of GA and therefore is placed ON HOLD for corrections. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 05:43, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Jclemens: Thanks for reviewing. I have copy edited the article per your suggestions above. Check it out now. North America1000 16:37, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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