Talk:Arkangel (Black Mirror)

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Plot: Unprotected sex

Until someone can provide proof here that Sara was having unprotected sex, I'm going to delete the word "unprotected" in the Plot section. I know her mother believes that to be the case, as evidenced by her sneaking EC medication into Sara's smoothie, but there was no indication that I could see in the brief sex scene that it was unprotected sex. --Spiff666 (talk) 13:07, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You are right to remove it as it is not clearly shown. It can be reasonable assumed that the ArcAngel system - which is wired to monitor all of Sara's body conditions, recognized that she got pregnant before Sara would know, let her mother know, and thus leading her to get the EC. But this is not shown exactly nor spelled out verbally, only that we know she saw them have sex, then later, prompted by something from ArkAngel, got the EC. It's synth to go beyond that. --Masem (t) 14:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed – the plot summary should avoid the question just as the episode does. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 18:12, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Obvious to the rescue!

>One critic compares "Arkangel" to previous Black Mirror episodes "The Entire History of You" and "Be Right Back", as each episode is based on an existing technology, and plausibly demonstrates how the technology could go wrong in the future.[4]

Uh.... does this not describe... nearly every episode of the show (not quite all, but very close to all). I wouldn’t mind, only this is the ONLY THNG in the ‘analysis’ section. --StrexcorpEmployee (talk) 10:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@StrexcorpEmployee: I think I probably wrote this line the day after the episode came out, intending to expand the section further and never getting around to it in the wave of things to do with the fourth series' release. Indeed it is a bit uninformative. "Arkangel" is quite low on my list at the moment of Black Mirror episodes to overhaul, but anyone is welcome to improve it. You could read the original review and rewrite the sentence to make a closer link with TEHOY and BRB that wouldn't apply to other episodes, or add analytic commentary from other critical reviews. — Bilorv (talk) 15:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 07:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Comments

  • "current vision and hearing and automatically"... maybe a comma after hearing.
  • I would start the second para with the "main theme" before hitting some of the lower level details about actresses and EC pill errors.
  • I have reservations over the fair use of File:Black Mirror S04E02 - ArkAngel.png. I'm not convinced this enhances the readers' understanding of the episode at all, thoughts? Maybe the tablet with the view through Sara's eyes or similar would be more likely to stand up to scrutiny in this regard? Or the "censor" effect?
    • So there's a lot of mixed feelings at WPTV to screenshots being used as fair use, whereas there seems to be (though I'm less of a regular there) overwhelming support at WPFILM for movie posters as permissible infobox images, and this poster is definitely close enough to a film poster for this to apply. I can see the pros: much easier to claim respect for commercial opportunities and wide publication on something designed with widespread republication in mind. I'd say the poster conveys some of the tone of the episode and it is described explicitly in "Marketing" so I think it's definitely fine. — Bilorv (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "After three-year-old Sara..." sentence feels too long, perhaps split in the mid.
  • If you link "tablet computer" might be worth linking "stroke".
  • "which Marie is notified of as" -> "of which Marie is notified as"
  • porn->pornography
  • " friend's house " is quickly repeated.
  • "an Arkangel notification" what kind?
    • Ah, well I'd like to know as well. It's not shown onscreen and so anything I say is WP:OR for the article. Marie gets an alert, immediately buys the EC and puts it in Sara's smoothie the next day. I think it's implied to be a notification that Sara is pregnant, part of the misunderstanding about how contraception works, but in order to retcon the error we could say that the notification is "given she had sex X hours ago, this is your last chance for her to take EC before she could become pregnant" and that the nurse simply misspeaks. Anyway, it's clearly the cause of Marie's next action but the information it gives is unknown. — Bilorv (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in how he felt protective" -> "in how protective he felt"?
    • Yeah that's much more natural. — Bilorv (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Apparently our article calls it "Orange Is..." not "Orange is..."
  • "by Foster. Foster also" jarring.
  • "n Hamilton, Ontario was " comma after Ontario.
  • "more whacks were filmed" doesn't feel encyclopedic to describe those blows raining down as "whacks"!
  • "fourth series of the show" I don't think "of the show" is needed (and it's USEng too!)
  • "The episode has a theme of helicopter parenting; Entertainment Weekly's Darren Franich saw it as a "straightforward parable"." semi colon, how are these sentences linked?
    • You're right, not closely enough. Think a semicolon with the second clause and following sentence works though, both being about the simplicity of the message. — Bilorv (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would explain RFID rather than just use the acronym.
  • "briefly thinks her baby has died until Sara begins crying, which is "every parent's worst fear"." I know what you mean but this makes it sound like "until Sara starts crying" is "every parent's worst fear"...
    • Taken out the "until Sara starts crying" because it's not important to the point being made. — Bilorv (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • " critics had criticisms" yuck
    • Oh dear, bit "haters gonna hate". Now "reviewers had criticisms". — Bilorv (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 34 spaced hyphens -> en-dashes.

That's all I have. Thanks for giving me the chance to review and revisit the episode. I think I liked it more than the critics but agree there was so much more they could have done with it, but it would have been hard to squeeze that into a nice bite-size episode. As always, most comments are suggestions, nothing to do with GA criteria really, just aiming for excellence. On hold while you take a look. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I'd agree with that. I think this one gets a bad rep because much of the Black Mirror audience is a bit younger than parent age, but I just cannot stand the ending—I'm with Bramesco on the incredulity of Sara's extreme violence. — Bilorv (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy with this so promoting to GA. Well done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]


No abortion

"One scene incorrectly portrays an emergency contraception (EC) pill as causing abortion rather than preventing pregnancy." It only shows vomiting, nothing about abortion. I'll remove this sentence. Sawtoothcoriander (talk) 23:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sawtoothcoriander, and thanks for explaining your edit here. The lead of an article is just meant to summarise the body, so before removing the content you should check if it's expanded upon in the body (it should be). Under the Analysis section, the last paragraph reads:
The reproductive healthcare organisation Planned Parenthood criticised the depiction of emergency contraceptive (EC) pills as inaccurate. A nurse tells Sara that the purpose of such a pill is "terminating your pregnancy", but this is a description of abortion rather than contraception.[1] Contraception prevents the fertilisation of an egg before a person becomes pregnant.[2]

References

  1. ^ Gaudette, Emily (4 January 2018). "Planned Parenthood Responds to Jodie Foster's Inaccurate 'Black Mirror' Abortion Episode". Newsweek. Archived from the original on 12 January 2021. Retrieved 7 January 2018.
  2. ^ Phillips, Marian (2 June 2020). "Black Mirror: Why Jodie Foster's "Arkangel" Was So Controversial". Screen Rant. Archived from the original on 12 January 2021. Retrieved 2 January 2021.
So the issue is with the nurse's dialogue, rather than the vomiting scene. To clarify (feel free to improve if you can), I've rephrased the sentence in the lead as: In one scene, a nurse incorrectly implies that an emergency contraception (EC) pill induces abortion, rather than preventing pregnancy. Thanks for raising this point! — Bilorv (talk) 00:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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