Talk:American Communist Party

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Protect page - recent, repeated vandalism

This page has been hit with some vandalism and I have a feeling it's going to increase. Is there someone who's able to protect the page? Zenphia1 (talk) 16:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't agree more, someone needs to limit the page or lock it for now. 2601:19E:8000:B010:4077:8214:941F:BAC2 (talk) 03:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that users Madamepestilence and BombCraft8 are repeatedly editing the page on the basis of their own ideological speculations rather than the Party's official statements. Nowhere in ACP statements nor on their website is "MAGA Communism" mentioned and controversies surrounding "MAGA Communism" do not belong on the page.

I can't, but it's obnoxious that people are trying to label the party as fascist and far-right. SSBelfastFanatic (talk) 16:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While that may or may not be true, the page consists of one sentence with absolutely no references or verification and has been tagged for deletion on grounds of lack of significance. Visigoth500 (talk) 18:23, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The American Communist Party is based on MAGA Communism, a far-right movement that misappropriates far-left language (which the Guardian article talks about which is discussed about in this wiki article). SleeplessCat1010 (talk) 01:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article sights no primary sources and is an opinion piece speculating on the name ‘MAGAcommunism’ hence it’s apocryphal 2601:248:500:DEF0:B175:9549:34E:2930 (talk) 02:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Incorrect information about a cryptocurrency scheme, which is entirely unaffiliated with ACP, does not constitute the basis for a wikipedia edit that constitutes defamation. ACP is neither "MAGA Communist" nor "far-right." As with other parties, the information pertaining to the wikipedia page should reflect the party's own statements. These statements refer to Marxism-Leninism and it is inappropriate to speculate otherwise.

Claims of Fascism

People have been claiming the party is neo-fascist and MAGA communist. The source that supposedly proves this is over a month old and never even mentions the party. It is a COMMUNIST party, and unless someone says that the party is fascist, we should keep it as communist. SSBelfastFanatic (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This. There's nothing to suggest that they're fascist. I'm tired of the liberal slander. 102.113.185.199 (talk) 00:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a discussion forum. Stick to sources and the article itself. andrew.robbins (talk) 00:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They engage in some tenants of fascism like ultra-nationalism (hence the "MAGA" in MAGA Communism), and discrimination against marginalized communities like transgender people. SleeplessCat1010 (talk) 01:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cite a primary source attached to the party itself or something published by them a vice article isn’t objective
it’s an opinion article 2601:248:500:DEF0:B175:9549:34E:2930 (talk) 02:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can create a separate article titled controversies where you can add as many opinion articles as you like but such 2nd hand and 3rd hand information doesn’t belong in under the ideology article 2601:248:500:DEF0:B175:9549:34E:2930 (talk) 02:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative to Article Deletion

Since this page is relatively new, as is the formal announcement[?] of the American Communist Party (not to be confused with CPUSA), I think that a better option than deletion would be editing this page to a higher standard, finding more (and better) sources, and liberal use of the word allegedly until party actions can be judged on their own merits.

As a direct example, given its founder, Jackson Hinkle, self-describes himself as an, "American Conservative Marxist-Leninist,"[1] which are inherently incompatible ideologies, as well as his track record of supporting Vladimir Putin in the Russian invasion of Ukraine,[2][3][4][5] misinformation, disinformation, and describing himself as a, "MAGA Communist,"[6][7] [sic] it can be assumed that Hinkle is being disingenuous in his creation of a Communist party.

This is likely intended as a 5th Column to dissolve proletarian solidarity, and consequently this article should especially be observed from an objective point-of-view, taking careful care to neither have Communist nor American conservative bias - this page may also benefit from being restricted to ensure this status, as well as preventing future vandalism.

  1. ^ https://www.thejc.com/news/world/who-is-jackson-hinkle-twitters-most-viral-misinformation-spreader-and-anti-israel-activist-m9kzki7y
  2. ^ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-israel-hamas-war-misinformation-twitter-community-notes/
  3. ^ https://www.codastory.com/newsletters/newsletter-russian-disinformation-antisemitism-propaganda/
  4. ^ https://www.dailydot.com/debug/jackson-hinkle-anna-linnikova-dating/
  5. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20231031191835/https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/10/31/hispantv-is-irans-propaganda-arm-in-latin-america-why-is-it-still-being-broadcast/
  6. ^ https://www.vice.com/en/article/88qk4b/what-the-hell-is-magacommunism
  7. ^ https://chinamediaproject.org/2024/07/02/maga-communism-and-the-china-grift/

Madamepestilence (talk) 22:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The information is contradictory, so I agree that we shouldn’t set anything in stone regarding the party’s beliefs and ideology. Ideally some decently trustworthy news outlet will report on this, as the only info available at the moment is from untrusted sources or outdated. SSBelfastFanatic (talk) 22:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We cannot rely on articles for the ideology section
1. Not primary sources published by said party
2. Not direct evidence
‘something appearing contradictory’ isn’t a go ahead to write whatever we want based on speculation and opinion articles 2601:248:500:DEF0:B175:9549:34E:2930 (talk) 02:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MAGACommunism isn't an actual ideology

And it doesn't belong on the article.

MAGACommunism is merely the recognition that communism in the USA will likely come from the MAGA blue collar working class. Haz said so. It is at best a slogan, and at worst merely a meme.

Marxism Leninism and Deng Xiaoping Theory are more accurate representations of the positions of the ACP based on what Haz and Hinkle have previously espoused before.


102.113.185.199 (talk) 00:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article is lacking reputable sources and unbiased survey

Before anything I need to tell you that I don't have the technical knowledge to edit the wiki page's content and sources hence I didn't contribute. Upon checking the current sources of the article I was appalled to see that it's citing The Guardian for the political ideology instead of any primary source of which are many hours of film and writing freely available online. I would expect a documentary but I would not advocate for the removal of The Guardian citation, on the contrary.

I have seen social media pages of CPUSA chapters corroborating ACP's claims but it's most important to note for the moment that this is on the brink of happening, regardless of the outcome I think this event is noteworthy. If it turns out to be a failure it can also sit a sentence in the CPUSA page but for the moment I'm skeptical that this is just a website with a paper and some faces.

Please consider adding relevant information about it's influential members, both primary and secondary sources like their videos and text, and mainstream media, about their deeds, statements and relations, etc. Make no mistake, just like you I'm rooting from someone but above all else I expect Wikipedia to be an oasis of relevant information. As this phenomena is at the moment of writing this one day old, it requires in my opinion an environment rich in historical and contemporary context without the blatant disinformation and biased language.

If you would consider adding text and sources without prejudice please reach out to me for a fruitful collaboration towards a greater good. Hivestel (talk) 01:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I second this all these opinion pieces belong in a separate controversies section not in the ideology section 2601:248:500:DEF0:B175:9549:34E:2930 (talk) 02:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete

This is an internet "party"/vanity project with no actual real world presence or significance. The group forms and, that same day, tries to create a wikipedia page for themselves. The references were added later today (7/22) after comments were made that references were lacking. The references that have been added are either self-referential or irrelevant (articles on Jackson Hinkle). Delete on grounds of lack of significance. Visigoth500 (talk) 01:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What’s your metric for significance? 2601:248:500:DEF0:B175:9549:34E:2930 (talk) 02:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Credible claim of significance 69.113.236.98 (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scam

This group is a "ponzi scheme"/bitcoin scam as is evidenced on their website: https://memeisgame.com/acp/ Visigoth500 (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jackson Hinkle said this was not an official coin of the american communist party on twitter SleeplessCat1010 (talk) 02:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If a scam is not officially endorsed by a legal entity, then said scam most likely has nothing to do with the legal entity in question. I think it should be fairly obvious. The ACP publicly denies that the scam has anything to do with them, so this is either misinformation or disinformation. Lvca511 (talk) 02:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
their own website at https://acp.us is built on the Crypto/NFT engine built by Immutable Pty Ltd. Pretty strange coincidence for their meme coin to be a scam when they themselves are running a meme coin... seems like perhaps Jackson Hinkle is a liar. 69.113.236.98 (talk) 03:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vice, Gardian and other opinion articles belong in a controversies section not under ideology

Please rely on primary sources from the party or it’s prominent figures You are more than free to put your opinion pieces under a controversies section 2ndary sources do not belong under the ideology section 2601:248:500:DEF0:B175:9549:34E:2930 (talk) 02:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In fact, they belong nowhere, because the ACP has not stated a position on MAGA Communism. This belongs on the wikipedia pages of self-described adherents, not political organizations which are not beholden to individual opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Korrektor1917 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know much about the ACP, but I think they are related to MAGA communism because MAGA Communism redirects to Jackson Hinkle, who is a member of the ACP. BombCraft8 (talk) 03:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
literally every member of ACP featured in the photo on their X/Twitter post is a supporter of MAGA Communism. It is absurd and insulting to claim that ACP isn't in support of what the founders of the alleged organization believe. Can we delete this article already? The talk page is now becoming overrun with the ACP supporters. 69.113.236.98 (talk) 03:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fraud/scam

It is being reported by YouTuber Kollectiv that the ACP's claim of wide support from current and former chapters of CPUSA and PCUSA is actually not true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN87V-3FIOs 69.113.236.98 (talk) 03:15, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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