Talk:94th Academy Awards

Winner's photos

I don't think that the photos belong at the top of the article. They should probably be placed in a "gallery" at the bottom. The main problem I have is that we are only including some winners, not all. That seems biased/unfair. Thoughts? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I modified the header/title ... to indicate that it is only a "partial" list of winners. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Yet another Chris Rock controversy

South Indian producer of Summer of Soul Joseph Patel objected to being called one of "four white guys" when the Best Documentary Oscar was announced by Rock. I don't think it belongs under the slapping incident headline, but it's pretty short. Does it deserve it's own headline? I leave it to the consensus. Kire1975 (talk) 03:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I added this at the end of the section. UserTwoSix (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

It has been removed. It does kind of look like Patel is trying to piggyback off the notoriety of the incident to get his name out there. UserTwoSix (talk) 22:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

According to the edit summary, it was removed from that section because, like I said, it's not related to that incident. It doesn't look like Patel is trying to piggyback off the notoriety incident to me. Kire1975 (talk) 03:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I think it is directly related to the incident. Patel appeared on stage right after. As I read it, his beef is with the whole incident stealing his limelight, compounded by the fact Rock called him a "white guy". UserTwoSix (talk) 21:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Jada Pinkett Smith and others boycotted the awards in 2016 in protest of lack of diversity among award nominees. During the ceremony Chris Rock drew attention to the boycott, IIRC it was as a presenter that year as well, by making a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith not having been invited to the ceremony.

The assumption Rock commenting directly on the lack of diversity while presenting in 2022 is somehow "unrelated" to he & Smith's publicity stunt - let alone merely Patel trying to piggyback off the stunt's "notoriety" - represents the epitome of a joke that goes over its audience's head.

It's 100% related.

It's not 'objective anaylsis' to consider Chris Rock's utterances in a vacuum ignoring the near-universally widely-known fact Chris Rock is a professional comedian.

It's 100% relevant because it's right out of the inside of every comic's toolbox: the Call Back

(if anyone would like to add a citation to the more concise definition of 'call backs' i.e. "running jokes" given in John Vorhaus' The Comic Toolbox: How to be funny... by all means please do) 2603:6011:7E00:18D:E5E0:B627:F43E:17A3 (talk) 16:03, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kire1975: it is here : Will_Smith–Chris_Rock_slapping_incident#Crew_of_Summer_of_Soul UserTwoSix (talk) 21:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Good enough for me. Thank you. Kire1975 (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

References

Image of slap under respective section

A while back I had added the photo of the slap but was reverted per the copyright of the image. But since the article about the incident has it under fair use grounds, shouldn't the same apply to this article? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:38, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I can't think of many cases where a fair-use image has been used in multiple articles. We tend to use fair use images very sparingly, and each usage has to have its own rationale. In this case, the image is probably justified on the main article about the topic, but not here in order to minimize its use; interested readers can click the "Main article" link to see the article with the image. RunningTiger123 (talk) 06:15, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

There's nothing in WP:NFCC that limits a fair-use image from being in more than one article. Typically, the NFCC will only be fulfillable for one article, but in this case, I think they apply perfectly well to this article. I've added a non-free media use rationale to the file page, which will prevent the bot from removing it as it did last time. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Slap in lead

@Birdienest81, the Chris Rock–Will Smith slapping incident gets an entire section in this article, and in its own article states The incident received worldwide attention and largely overshadowed the rest of the ceremony. Per MOS:INTRO, it seems clearly due to mention in a sentence, and I'm rather surprised that none of​​​ the reviewers brought it up during the FLC. Several of the other subsections of #Ceremony information may also warrant a summarized mention, but the slap is the most glaring omission. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:29, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

At the time of its review, I personally didn't think that was prominent enough to warrant a mention in the lead (worrying it would come across as undue), for whatever this might be worth. Others are free to make cases stating otherwise. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:32, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

If it's undue for the lead, then it's also undue for a 500-word section in the body. But this Oscars has gone down in history as "the one with the slap," so I think it's absolutely needed for this to be an FL. Our job is to reflect what reliable secondary sources say, not to defer to the Oscars' self-seriousness. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)