Talk:2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement

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Notice date: 17 July. Please remove this template when the nomination process has concluded, replacing it with Template:ITN talk if appropriate.

References in English

As of now, most of the sources referenced is in Bengali as it was translated from the article in Bangla Wikipedia; but it would be probably better if these sources are in English. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 22:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New section

@Wiki N Islam:, @Bruno pnm ars:, @Zeeshan Y Tariq:, @Uss157: and @মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন: The article should have a "Reaction" section about who and what organisations supported and unsupported the movement. The section should also include the reaction of the foreign world and the foreign publications. Mehedi Abedin 06:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone of the editors mentioned has reliable sources, then feel free to add with the reference provided. But, remember to always use an unbiased and neutral point of view on the matter, Thank you. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 07:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

@Mehedi Abedin, @Bruno pnm ars, @Zeeshan Y Tariq, @Uss157, @মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন please can anyone add this article for nomination in the Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates, after all it's a recent event widely reported in the international media. It would be helpful in the development & update of this article. Wiki N Islam (talk) 11:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wiki N Islam It was shown in the news in 15 July I guess. But if you want to nominate it for second time then I guess people like @Nokib Sarkar: can help you on it who is more interested in the topic. Mehedi Abedin 12:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also pinging @Zkabirkhan: @Halcyon009: @Lahsim Niasoh: @Raiyan Kazi: @Rishad Ahmed747: @GucciNuzayer: @Mollathevalor: for further help. I think we need to discuss here before making big changes on the article because it is a recent ongoing event and sensitive topic. We should work together so that people can find reliable information from the page with no WP:POV and we should edit the article in such a way so that the page doesn't bring any unwanted consequences. Mehedi Abedin 12:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I am going to propose the page for protection to prevent any disruptive editing. Mehedi Abedin 12:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to add separate section for the Martyr in this movement, based on the online sources what all of you think Zkabirkhan (talk) 13:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zkabirkhan Add under "Casualties and losses" section created in the article. Mehedi Abedin 14:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to proposing the page for protection. I would also try my best to make sure this page is written using proper English and ensure impartiality/neutrality. GucciNuzayer (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shall we mention the names of those who were arrested after the funeral today or not? Zkabirkhan (talk) 11:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Sharpnife (talk) 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mehedi Abedin The article was never shown on the front page as ITN. So, I think it is time we should propose for the ITN with the following blurb: "6000 injuries and 12 deaths confirmed during the ongoing quota reform movement in Bangladesh." Nokib Sarkar ^knock 13:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Injuries option is not showing in the Infobox. Please someone rectify it. Wiki N Islam (talk) 16:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same here. Mehedi Abedin 16:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we include the dead Chhatra Dal activist with the number of dead protesters?? Wiki N Islam (talk) 09:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the slogans

@Mehedi Abedin @Bruno pnm ars @Zeeshan Y Tariq @মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন @Wiki N Islam

Guys, there is a conflict in the controversy section, the protestors used the word "shoirochar" and not "shorkar" also it was "chaite gelam",not "cheyechhilam". Im bringing it up because the change was undone more than once and also there are sources attached. If the slogans were otherwise please discuss here before making a change. Thank You. Uss157 (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Uss157 Looks like the slogans have multiple versions and they are creating confusions. Mehedi Abedin 19:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Uss157@Mehedi Abedin Yes, slogans are indeed multiple versions in different sources. I think the best would be add a footnote about versions.Nokib Sarkar ^knock 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we remove "Bangla Blockade" from the beginning, after all the current phrase isn't Bangla Blockade at all. It was the initial phrase when protesters called for a demonstration in Shahbagh. The introductory section also writes about it later. So I think no need to keep the phrase "dubbed as Bangla Blockade by the protesters". Wiki N Islam (talk) 04:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wiki N Islam We can write about Bangla Blockade in the suitable section and remove that from the top. Mehedi Abedin 07:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright issues

I request all editor not to use images from websites or others. Wikipedia strictly maintain copyright rules and photos from your own camera and phone and also photos under CC4 licenses can be used here. Also notice if your writings match with the sources because that would be copyright infringement too. Always write in your own words so that we can see the differences between writing styles. Mehedi Abedin 09:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Timeline Section Needs Cleanup

The section contains too much intricate details and needs Cleanup. Sharpnife (talk) 11:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can create a new article from it named Timeline of 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement and replace the section with a new section "Movement" (which will summarize the timeline section) if it gets longer in future. But its not the time yet, but I think we have to do it in near future. Need other user's comment on this proposal. Mehedi Abedin 12:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal

Replace the timeline section with "Movement" which will summarize the timeline and make another article named Timeline of 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement from the section.

Questions to consider

Is this proposal justified?
If yes, then how many days after the proposal we can execute it?

Comments

(as the proposer) Yes, it is justified and we can do it after the timeline section reaches at least two weeks. Mehedi Abedin 12:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mehedi Abedin Support Sharpnife (talk) 01:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for a new article & keeping the section's current name will be better than renaming in my opinion. Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wiki N Islam After how many days the timeline reaches? Mehedi Abedin 13:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think one week will be better because it already has become too long. Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you on creating a new article about "Timeline of 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement". Lahsim Niasoh (talk) 13:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree Md Joni Hossain (talk) 13:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree I think we should create a draft page first, then write the details of the movement and the situation of everyday across the country. Once it reach to the utmost amount of deailts available (till 17 July), then we should move it to main article. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 14:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree for one week. বাগানবিলাস (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: We should wait for atleast for 10 to 15 days. Uss157 (talk) 14:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. People can face problems to find it because people dose not want to give much effort. This is called The Law of Least Effort, also known as the Principle of Least Effort, is often attributed to several fields and thinkers. In linguistics, it was formulated by the French linguist André Martinet. In psychology, the concept is associated with George Zipf, who applied it to human behavior and language in his book "Human Behavior and the Principle of Least Effort" (1949). The principle suggests that people will naturally gravitate towards paths, actions, or behaviors that require the least amount of effort or resistance. But if most of you are agreed I can do nothing Zkabirkhan (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zkabirkhan Well that make sense but according to Wikipedia guidlines and for better readability we need to make the page shorter (but not so shorter). Mehedi Abedin 14:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is my point of view only Zkabirkhan (talk) 14:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mehedi Abedin@Zkabirkhan I think we can keep the key points here and move all the details on new page. বাগানবিলাস (talk) 14:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Linking website in infobox

@Redwiat: I notice that you re-added the link to the website of the protest movement in the infobox, which I previously removed. I don't think there is any need to place it there, but do you think there is a good reason to do so? Gödel2200 (talk) 00:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gödel2200 i would say no. it doesn't seem to be relevant Sharpnife (talk) 00:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I re-added the link to the website of the protest movement in the infobox because it serves several important purposes: Redwiat (talk) 05:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I re-added the link to the website of the protest movement in the infobox because it serves as a non-profit source of up-to-date information directly from the activists and supporters involved. The website provides comprehensive coverage, including news updates, a picture gallery, videos, and important information for activists and supporters, which can be valuable for those seeking detailed and current insights about the movement. Additionally, it offers resources like the contact form and blood donation helpline that are crucial for aiding injured protesters. Including this link in the infobox ensures that readers have easy access to an authoritative and relevant source directly related to the subject of the article. I believe this enhances the quality and depth of information available to Wikipedia users. Redwiat (talk) 08:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Redwiat: But the website is absolutely not an independent source, so we should not be using it for any information about the protests. Things like a link to a donation helpline are not at all relevant to information required on an encyclopedia. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concern about the website's independence, but allow me to explain why I believe it should be included. While Wikipedia typically favors independent sources for factual information, the protest movement's website serves a crucial role as a primary source directly from those involved. This provides readers with real-time updates and firsthand accounts, which are often not immediately accessible through traditional media sources.

The website offers comprehensive coverage, including news updates, visuals, and essential resources like the blood donation helpline, which directly support the movement's efforts. These aspects are relevant because they provide contextual understanding and practical support information for readers interested in the current state of the protests.

Including the link in the infobox ensures transparency and accessibility to this primary source of information, enhancing the article's relevance and immediacy for users seeking detailed insights directly from the movement's perspective. This complements the encyclopedia's goal of providing comprehensive and current information on significant topics.

I hope this clarifies why I believe the inclusion of the website link is beneficial for the article. Let's ensure the content remains informative and relevant while adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines. Redwiat (talk) 13:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Including the link in the infobox ensures transparency and accessibility to this primary source of information, enhancing the article's relevance and immediacy for users seeking detailed insights directly from the movement's perspective. Please read WP:NIS. If we use this website to cite any information at all, we must explicitly say "According to this organization...", and we cannot simply use it to cite statements without saying what the organization is. But the link has no place in the infobox; see for example the Black Lives Matter page. The link is instead placed in the "External links" section, which is where the link to the movements page should be placed on this article as well. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Synthesis

The infobox currently claims 45 protesters have died, and ~9000+ have been injured. It cites these statements with a massive amount of sources, none of which explicitly say 45 deaths or ~9000+ injuries, so this seems like SYNTH. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]