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Draft:Cueva Pintada (California)

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  • Comment: Close paraphrasing from these sources: [3] and [4] Netherzone (talk) 04:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: This article appears to already exist at Painted Cave, Galdar. I suggest merging information from this draft into this article. These articles are unrelated - I've removed my decline. C F A 💬 17:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: Fails WP:GNG; among the sources in the current version, citation #1 looks self-published, #2 and #3 are primary source government document records (the former also failing WP:SIGCOV), and #4 is being used to support an ancillary tangential detail and doesn't mention the topic of this article at all, as evidenced here. Left guide (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: Greg, having seen the source retrieval date of 2016 in your Kirk Creek Campground submission, it appears you have been copying and pasting text and sources from other Wikipedia articles and submitting them as low effort articles without checking source and counting on reviewers not going through with a fine tooth comb. You have been talked to so many times about the use of junk sources and you have been here so long but you continue to submit blog sourced contents. Any articles you copy and paste from must be properly attributed as well. You can not just copy and paste anonymously from other Wikipedia articles. Graywalls (talk) 10:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: The source, Legends of America, which is still in the draft, is a blog and should be removed as unreliable, and should not be used in encyclopedia articles. From their own "About" info on the blog: "Hi Y'all, Legends of America is comprised of just the two of us — Dave & Kathy, .... With an entrepreneurial dream, we launched Legends of America in 2003." Basically they exist to sell travel stuff and fake Native American trinkets from their two "Mom & Pop" online shops. Please investigate the quality of sources before adding them to drafts or articles. And the xasauantoday.com citation is also a blog. Netherzone (talk) 17:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: Citation #6 in the current version is a questionable source; its publisher (Arcadia) has been litigated multiple times at talk pages and RSN with no clear consensus on its general reliability, and has sometimes been proven to be a WP:COISOURCE. Per WP:BURDEN, any editor wishing to submit the draft should show evidence at talk page that the individual author is reliable and gain consensus, or else simply remove material referenced to the book; it is also improperly cited, as the link points to something irrelevant. Left guide (talk) 07:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: This draft has a title that either has been disambiguated, or will need disambiguation to be accepted.
    If this draft is accepted, a disambiguation page will need to be created. (Review of the existing article or articles with the principal name indicates that a disambiguation page should be crated in place of the use of hatnotes alone.)
    The disambiguation page should be Cueva Pintada (disambiguation). Robert McClenon (talk) 02:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: Too many sourcing errors - one source points to a search engine not a citation, two are blogs, another has a book citation error (work=ignored), and a fourth has the wrong URL that points to one of the blogs rather than the book stated in the citation text. Netherzone (talk) 18:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Reply - I have created a Draft:Cueva Pintada (disambiguation) page to handle this. Once this page has been reviewed and accepted it can be used in conjuntion to the Cueva Pintada (disambiguation) information for the article. Greg Henderson (talk 10:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Reply #2 - Please see WP:GEOFEAT, "Artificial geographical features that are officially assigned the status of cultural heritage or national heritage, or of any other protected status on a national level and for which verifiable information beyond simple statistics is available, are presumed to be notable." Greg Henderson (talk 17:39 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Presumed doesn't mean guaranteed; all article subjects must be shown to meet WP:GNG at a bare minimum. Left guide (talk) 00:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
  •  Comment: - Corrected close paraphrasing from these sources. In addition, Copyvio Detector vilolation is unlikely at 16%. Greg Henderson (talk) 17 June 2024 (UTC)
"Cueva Pintada" redirects here. For other uses, see Cueva Pintada (disambiguation).

Cueva Pintada
Pictographs from Cueva Pintada (1912)
Cueva Pintada is located in California
Cueva Pintada
Cueva Pintada
Location in Monterey County
LocationKing City, California
Coordinates35°59′24″N 121°29′44″W / 35.99000°N 121.49556°W / 35.99000; -121.49556
Built ()
NRHP reference No.75000445
Added to NRHPFebruary 13, 1975

Cueva Pintada, locally known as La Cueva Pintada, (in Spanish means "the painted cave"), is a well preserved prehistoric rock shelter covered with white, red, black, and ochre pictographs created by the Salinan people. The site is protected within Fort Hunter Liggett, located 25 miles (40 km) southwest of King City, California, United States. Cueva Pintada was listed on the National Register of Historic Places on February 13, 1975.

History

Pictographs from La Cueva Pintada
Bedrock motar holes near Santa Lucia Peak
Pictographs in the Cueva Pintada Cave

Cueva Pintada is archaeological site CA-MNT-256 southwest of King City, California, in southern Monterey County on the Fort Hunter Liggett reservation.[1] The cave is east of the San Antonio River about five miles north of Mission San Antonio.[2]

Its cave walls have pictographs that originate from a Stone Age civilization that inhabited this region around 10,000 in the past. Some of the pictographs stem from later Indigenous peoples who utilized the cave for religious ceremonies. The cave was preserved by the early Spanish priests at the Mission San Antonio de Padua.[1][3]

The Cueva Pintada site is Salinan in origin. It corresponds to the "Cave of the Idols," which was presented to the padres at Mission San Antonio de Padua shortly after its establishment and is referenced in Junípero Serra's letter dated May 21, 1773.[4] The Salinan Native American tribe lived along the Salinas River, encompassing present-day Monterey County and San Luis Obispo counties.[5]

According to the California State Military Museum, visits to the site are limited by the United States Army base at Fort Hunter Liggett. The entrance to the cave is at an elevation 3,000 ft (910 m). The Cueva Pintada site is protected by a chain-link fence and razor wire. The walls are covered with prehistoric white, red, black, and ochre pictographs. The rock overhangs and caves served as a rock shelter, standing approximately 16.5 ft (5.0 m) high and 21 ft (6.4 m) wide. The cave is at a width of 45 ft (14 m), with a depth between 15 ft (4.6 m) and 20 ft (6.1 m). The pictographs illustrate animals as well as geometric and linear patterns.[6]

These pictographs appear under and over the soot that darkens the ceiling of the cave. Before the indigenous people converted to Christianity, rituals and ceremonies marked specific events, including the celebration of the winter solstice, and the transition from boyhood to manhood was followed by ritualistic practices. According to legend, after converting to Christianity, the indigenous people informed the Franciscan priests about the cave's location, hoping that they would visit and remove the idols within. The pictographs, along with bedrock mortars created by grinding vegetable material or pigments using stones or pestles, reflect ancient practices. The white pigment may have been originated from limestone deposits or white clay, the black pigment came from soot or charcoal, and the red pigment from cinnabar. The pictographs depict human figures, a turtle, the sun, and other ideographic symbols.[6][2]

In 1980, Archaeological Consulting, led by Gary S. Breschini and Trudy Haversat, began on a project focused on documenting the pictographs found at the archaeological site CA-MNT-256 at Cueva Pintada, with the support from the State Historic Preservation Office. The archaeological exploration of the site resulted in the creation of over 360 drawings, tracings, and photographs capturing the pictographs. These records are currently housed at the Rock Art Archives at University of California, Los Angeles.[3]

Cueva Pintada was registered on the National Register of Historic Places on February 13, 1975, for King City, Monterey County, California.[7]

See also

Further reading

References

  1. ^ a b Cary, Norman Miller (1975). Guide to U.S. Army Museums and Historic Sites. Center of Military History, Department of the Army. pp. 72–73. Retrieved March 12, 2024.
  2. ^ a b J. Alden Mason (December 14, 1912). "Ethnology Of The Salinan Indians" (PDF). University Of California Publications. 10 (4). Berkeley, California: 154–156. Retrieved March 12, 2024.
  3. ^ a b Trudy Haversat, Gary S. Breschini (1980). La Cueva Pintada, the Painted Cave: CA-MNT-256 (National Register of Historic Places Inventory Nomination Form). Proceedings of the Society for California Archaeology. Retrieved March 8, 2024.
  4. ^ "Ethnographic Overview of the Los Padres National Forest" (PDF). Northwest Economic Associates. February 6, 2004. pp. 65, 68–69, 97, 174. Retrieved March 12, 2024.
  5. ^ Campbell, Lyle (September 21, 2000). American Indian Languages The Historical Linguistics of Native America. Oxford University Press. p. 125. ISBN 9780195349832. Retrieved March 10, 2024.
  6. ^ a b "Historic California Posts: Fort Hunter Liggett". California State Military Museum. Retrieved November 7, 2013.
  7. ^ "Cueva Pintada". Office of Historic Preservation. February 13, 1975. Retrieved March 8, 2024.

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