Category talk:Monarchs of Australia
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Inclusion in Category:Heads of state by country
This category should be included as part of the overall classification scheme for Category:Heads of state of Australia. If some debate whether the monarch is actually the head of state, that is indicated in the category definition/explanation. It also links to G-Gs for those who view them as the head of state. Australia has a head of state—every country does—so there's no reason to exclude it from the overall classification scheme.
If this is objected to, then Category:Heads of state of Australia should exist there, but it keeps getting repeatedly removed. That name is actually more neutral and then it could contain both this category and the G-G category as subcategories, so I don't understand the opposition to it. Snocrates 02:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- If Australia has a head of state, then who is it? That is not a question which can be definitively answered. Please don't try to force your own opinion. --Pete (talk) 02:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to force anything. It has either been the monarch of Australia or the G-G of Australia. Thus, both should be included as subcategories in the category Category:Heads of state of Australia and the debate explained in the category definition. If you disagree with a category--nominate it for deletion or renaming but don't empty it unilaterally. That's not the way categories are dealt with. I'd be happy to entertain other proposals for Australia's inclusion in Category:Heads of state by country, but so far all Skyring has done is delete others' efforts. Snocrates 02:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- It has either been the monarch of Australia or the G-G of Australia. It's not a matter of one or the other. You seem to think that there is some ultimate source that settles the question. There isn't. --Pete (talk) 02:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- I didn't say there was and I was expressing my opinion. I would like to see some sources that even bring the monarch's status into question. If the HoS duties are "shared", this all seems like all the more reason to include both this and the GG category as subs in the overall scheme. Note: that too was an opinion. I suggest a CFD be started so consensus can be gained on whether Category:Heads of state of Australia should exist, and if so, what should be included as subcategories. Snocrates 02:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- It has either been the monarch of Australia or the G-G of Australia. It's not a matter of one or the other. You seem to think that there is some ultimate source that settles the question. There isn't. --Pete (talk) 02:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to force anything. It has either been the monarch of Australia or the G-G of Australia. Thus, both should be included as subcategories in the category Category:Heads of state of Australia and the debate explained in the category definition. If you disagree with a category--nominate it for deletion or renaming but don't empty it unilaterally. That's not the way categories are dealt with. I'd be happy to entertain other proposals for Australia's inclusion in Category:Heads of state by country, but so far all Skyring has done is delete others' efforts. Snocrates 02:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
This discussion is essentially being duplicated with another editor at Category talk:Heads of state of Australia. I suggest we consolidate the discussion to there. Snocrates 02:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)