Talk:13 July 2024 Al-Mawasi airstrikes

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I'm gonna redirect this to 2024 targeted assassination of Muhammad Deif. Please join the move request at that article's talk page.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 17:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: do you have any objections? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 17:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Um, I would rather redirect the other way about, tbh. This is clearly the proper (not to mention better) article and the targeted assassination material, what there is of it, can just be included here. No? Selfstudier (talk) 17:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier The rule is we keep the article that was created earlier. And we go through the RM process to rename the original article. Its frustrating, I know.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 17:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vice regent: If they are about the same thing, these are not. It's a bit like Nuseirat, one is the rescue and the other is the attendant massacre. Selfstudier (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

What is the difference between the airstrikes and the assassination (attempt)? Its the same explosion. Its merely a difference of how IDF frames the events, vs how Palestinians and others frame the event.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 18:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Uh huh, so two articles are possible a la Nuseirat but since the (alleged) targeting article is not much material, I would just as soon redirect that. Selfstudier (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

In this case it is literally the exact same airstrikes, no? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 18:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

That's one way of looking at it but not the only way, there is literally zero reason (atm) to take what Israel claims as fact. Selfstudier (talk) 19:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

BilledMammal just redirected here to there but I reverted it until there is consensus. Selfstudier (talk) 18:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree that this is the only notable topic. The excuse that it was the 16th, 17th (...?) attempted assassination of a man that no-one has seen in years is barely even confirmed as anything more than a flimsy POV premise, let alone a notable topic. There are POV titles, and then there are those that are simply wholly mis-scoped and dysfunctional. The only notable topic is the atrocious attack on the most definitive of safe zones. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Iskandar323 I agree. So what do we do? First we recognize we have a content fork. Done. Then we merge the later into earlier. Then we follow the process in moving that POV title to an NPOV one.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 19:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

If the other piece is terrible enough, which it is, because it doesn't even describe the event, this is not practical. Why would we merge a reasonably well-written event page into a shoddy page that only contains reactions? Iskandar323 (talk) 20:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

There's also pretty much nothing actually to the other piece. It's a hollow shell with basically just a bunch of pretty worthless news cycle reactions. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 13 July 2024

For some reason this article was opened separately from this article: 2024 targeted assassination of Muhammad Deif. But since it has already been written, I recommend specifying the date of the attack to a specific day. Galamore (talk) 19:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

In the interest of saving community time, I have gone ahead and put "13" in the article. I think that should be uncontroversial. I suppose the discussion of "airstrikes" vs "attack" can continue below.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 19:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)