Talk:Gyros

Requested move 7 April 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is that the primary topic is established, if nothing else since the proposed new title is already a PRIMARYREDIRECT to this article. Furthermore, opposition is not based in policy or guidelines. Pointing out ambiguity in a primary topic situation is pointless; ambiguity is a given. So what? Also, “title doesn’t sufficiently establish what the subject is” is not relevant to WP:CRITERIA. The proposed title is the most common name of the topic. That’s undisputed and sufficient by definition. Come on, folks. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 06:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

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Gyros (food) → Gyros – Gyros is the primary topic, disambiguation is not required. WWGB (talk) 04:26, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:04, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

• Hi, what about Gyros (moth) and gyroplanes ? Dr. Vogel (talk) 05:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
  • There is no article called "Gyros", the title is going to waste. WWGB (talk) 05:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
  • yes, but that could hold a disambiguation page. Can you show us any evidence that the one you want is actually the primary topic? Dr. Vogel (talk) 05:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
    • "Gyro" is a very common contraction for gyroscope, also seen in phrases gyro-action, gyro-stabilized etc. I'd say Gyros (the food) was a poor choice for primary even if it were my favorite. Doug butler (talk) 06:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
      • I'm inclined to say Gyros should be a disamb page or at least redirect to Gyro, unless there is a clear case for a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC) P.S. WP:PLURAL is the other consideration of course. -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support. It already redirects here as the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, so there is no need for the parenthetical disambiguation in the title. The moth stub is taken care of by the hatnote. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment There was an RM in 2011 that found consensus to move the article from "Gyros" to "Gyro (food)". It was boldly moved away from that name to the current title in August 2021. Colin M (talk) 23:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

  Oh, that's a minefield. Of course, unless we have in this RM another long discussion on gyro~gyros, the closure should be followed by a move back to Gyro (food) per that consensus from 2011. But the spelling was discussed again in 2018 and in the the discussion above (which is still ongoing). From these I can glean two things. First, gyro is by far the most common spelling in English and is the form found in virtually all dictionaries. Second, doubts have been expressed about whether what is meant by gyro in the English-speaking world is the same as the gyros of Greek cuisine in Greece. So this leads into the bigger question: if these are different things, which one should this article be about? Or whether the article should be about any of them at all – see this 2011 thread which proposed a merge with the article about doner kebab, which resulted in a long but apparently inconclusive discussion. – Uanfala (talk) 16:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Although the term might be available, the title doesn't sufficiently establish what the subject is and given the use of the word as a short-form of gyroscope, and as a prefix, the parenthetical info is a useful, if not technically essential, clarifier IMO . Pincrete (talk) 13:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

We don't insert disambiguation parentheticals into titles unless it is necessary because another article shares the same title, which it does not in this particular case. And "gyro" is a slang term for gyroscope, not "gyros". Rreagan007 (talk) 19:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I can't remember the exact policy wording, but we do require that a title be clear enough to adequately identify the topic, not simply that it be unique, I personally often find that I end up landing on articles that have failed to identify themselves clearly and WP's search function demands a re-type. My logic on this name is that "gyros" does not satisfy the 'clarity' requirement, whether a parenthesis is the best way to achieve clarity is a separate question. In the case of 'gyros', the word isn't particularly ambiguous, but it isn't very clear either. Pincrete (talk) 07:16, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

And yet, articles like kokoretsi, loukaniko, pastitsio, souvlaki and taramasalata require no "parenthetical info" (disambiguation). Funny, that. WWGB (talk) 09:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate that most editors prefer article titles to be as short as possible. I personally think that it would be good if article titles were clearer, especially as you have to re-type if you end up on the wrong article, as I often do. It isn't like reading the first sentence in a paper encyclopaedia, then flicking on an item/page or two, if you've landed in the wrong place. It is part of policy is it not that the article title clearly identify the subject, not simply be a unique name? I personally would immediately recognise all but one of those foods, but many readers wouldn't. Pincrete (talk) 17:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom, already the PRIMARYREDIRECT, and clearly primary for this spelling.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support clear primary, confusion with a gyroscope (or their shortened form of gyro) shouldn't be an issue per WP:SMALLDETAILS. Turnagra (talk) 20:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Normally lamb or pork?

The introduction says it is normally made with lamb in Greece. But under Preparation it says it is normally made with pork and rarely lamb. Which is it? 89.99.73.208 (talk) 20:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

I live in Greece. Gyros with pork meat and chicken meat is common where I live (Western Thrace), while I have never heard of gyros with lamb meat. Dimadick (talk) 13:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Lamb and beef are largely US. The unexplained change from pork was made by an IP on 22nd July. Pincrete (talk) 13:20, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if this is limited to shops catering for tourists, but vegan gyros is also becoming increasingly more common. I will try find sources. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 21:26, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

"the Canadian donair"

I don't think we should pretend this is some special Canadian traditional dish. It's just a Döner made in Canada. Despite a bit of variation in the sauce. Same with the "Al Pastor" döner from Mexico. Or should we also include the döner they make in Germany, in England, in France, etc. and call them traditional dishes? What about pizza - I'm sure each country could get its own Wiki entry for the kind of pizza they make in that country. 77.233.228.141 (talk) 10:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)