Talk:FC Bayern Munich 1–2 Norwich City F.C. (1993)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 14:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Shall take on this review as part of the GAN Backlog Drive of April to May 2020. MWright96 (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• Wikilink volley to Volley (association football)

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "is considered the greatest goal in Norwich's history" - by whom?

  Added the supporters vote. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "The second leg was played on 3 November 1993 and was drawn 1–1," - how about and ended in a 1–1 draw,?

  Meh, horses for courses, but done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Background

• "two points behind Werder Bremen and four behind league" - repetition of the word "behind"

  Couldn't do it so had to ditch Werder Bremen. Repetition gone. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "This perception couldn't help but reach the players," - no contractions please per MOS:CONTRACTION

  Shocking. Gone. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "including the most recent World Cup," - how about plain 1999 FIFA World Cup instead?

  I imagine you meant 1990 FIFA World Cup and that's there now. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "The Independent assessed Norwich's tactics as follows:" - whom exactly from The Indepdent?

  Added Trevor Haylett. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Pre-match

• "the Bayern general manager, Uli Hoeneß," - MOS:SEAOFBLUE violation here

  Strictly there's a non-blue comma, but meh, reworded anyway. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:29, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "had been cautious in his words to German media before the match," - to the German

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:29, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "Rainer Seele pointed to Norwich's excellent away record" - think a more formal word should replace the one highlighted in bold

  No need for it at all, the following sentence is purely factual and covers it nicely. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:29, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

First half

• Wikilink cross to Cross (association football)

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "after winning a free-kick when" - should be free kick for consistency

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• Wikilink penalty area

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "whose volley from 20 yards" - the convert template should be used on the text in bold

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• Wikilink corner to Corner kick

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• Wikilink header to Header (association football)

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "Norwich continued to effectively soak up the pressure exerted by Bayern Munich;" - what about a more formal phrase to replace the wording in bold

  Tried a reword, see what you make of it. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "said "Norwich are two up. This is almost fantasy football!" - the BBC Sport does not mention the first sentence of this quote

  Removed first part which, frankly, added literally nothing. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Second half

• "Michael Sternkopf replaced Ziege in the 60th minute, and five minutes later Bruno Labbadia replaced Mehmet Scholl." - repetition of the word "replaced"

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "Matthaus pushed further forward." - I feel like there is some detail missing from this sentence

  Dweller can you look at this? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

  I've revised. How's it looking? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:29, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

• Wikilink injury time to the relevant article

  No relevant article really so I've linked to wiktionary, let me know if that's a problem. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Reactions

• "Reflecting on the improbability of such a result, FourFourTwo wrote," - who exactly for FourFourTwo?

  Dweller this for you too. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

  It wasn't by-lined. It was probably a group effort. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

• "that after the first goal, Norwich played very deep and Bayern should have played through the wings more and shot more often, that Ziege came off when he was playing well, Helmer had not helped Sternkopf and Labbadia should have been brought on sooner, something the Bayern fans called for by chanting "We want Bruno"." - this entire portion of text should be rewritten where possible

  Rewritten. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Second leg

• "Norwich were relegated from the Premier League the following season,[4] and as of 2020, Norwich have not qualified to play in European competition again." - repetition of "Norwich"

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "including the Champions League in 2001 and 2013." - wikilink both years to the appropriate articles

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Legacy

• "The match was the only time a British side beat Bayern in a game played in the Olympiastadion." - the BBC Sport source does not say it was the only time Bayern Munich experienced their sole defeat to a British club in the Olympiastadion

  Replaced. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:17, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• "and eventually clinch their sixth title in the competition." - not mentioned by the BBC Sport source. Another reference is needed to verify this correct information

  Added. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:17, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Notes

• "but were prevented from competed after English clubs were banned from European football following the Heysel Stadium disaster." - typo; competing

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:17, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

References

• Reference 9 is linked to the general Bayern Munich UEFA page and not on its specific achievements

  Replaced. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• I think Reference 22 is not correctly linked as it is to Matthäus' home page

  I believe it was to demonstrate his age, so I have replaced it with a Britannica source. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

• The archive link for Reference 31 does not appear to be working

  Works for me. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• Does the FourFourTwo supplement have a specified page that contains the article?

  No, it was a brief supplement, and like short PDFs, page numbers aren't obligatory. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• References 39 and 42 should include the title along with the original German title

  Why? They're in German language so why do we need to translate them? It even says (German) in the ref. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

  Easily added. Done. Harrias ^talk 09:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

  Easy for you to sprechen. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Am going to put the review on hold to allow the nominators to address/query the points raised above. MWright96 (talk) 17:32, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• Now promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 17:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)