Talk:2013 Football League One play-off final

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March 9, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Yeovil Town fans at Wembley Stadium

... that Yeovil Town were promoted to the second tier of English football just ten years after being a non-League club after winning the 2013 Football League One play-off Final?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) v Vavilov

5x expanded by The Rambling Man (talk). Self-nominated at 09:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC).[reply]

New enough and large enough expansion. QPQ present. Hook checks out with citations in the proper place and is interesting to football fans, certainly—if it's a bit dry for people who might not understand, I think it conveys the meteoric rise involved. No textual issues I can see. Looks good to me. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:07, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2013 Football League One play-off Final/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 08:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Caption?
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Moore saving attempts from Clayton Donaldson, Adam Forshaw and Bradley Wright-Phillips — The body of the article mentions the attempts, but not that Moore saved them.
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Route to the final

Perhaps clarify that the Football League Championship is the second tier of the English football league system.
I thought it was clear enough from "promotion" conflated with "from the third tier" but have added it explicitly. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kevin Dawson levelled the tie — Perhaps clarify that this was an aggregate tie.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You also might mention the score of the second Yeovil Town–Sheffield United game (2–0), before mentioning the aggregate score.
Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Swindon's Massimo Luongo opened the scoring — When?
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In injury time — Of the second half?
It's clear now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Adam Rooney scored an own goal — Any further details?
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nathan Byrne being sent off — Why?
Added. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background

Any playoff wins for Brentford?
No, they lost the four semi-finals and lost in two finals. Obviously they won the semi-finals for the years in which they made it to the final, but that goes without saying. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

Wembley Stadium should be linked somewhere in the body of the article. The body could also be a bit more explicit that the final was played there, rather than mere references such as "to progress to Wembley" and "a Wembley crowd of 41,955".
Linked. I don't see why, saying it was played in front of a Wembley crowd is saying the same thing just not as clunkily. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's a somewhat short section. Anything else worth mentioning—near misses, substitutions, yellow cards, etc.?
Just mentioning again in case you missed it. No worries if there's nothing else to add. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:59, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Details

Are the substitutes without green arrows bench players who didn't make it in? Any reason this article lists a bunch, whereas other articles list only those who played?
Yes, green arrows are for those who came on. Other articles may only have sources for those who did make it, and over the years the numbers of substitutes have gradually increased from zero to eight. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can man of the match Marek Štěch be mentioned anywhere? And it's somewhat odd that the game's best player (so some said) isn't mentioned in "Summary".
Sure. It's no big deal the man of the match, it's not like "MVP" or anything, no-one could care less other than the player really. We acknowledge that it's usually a team effort to win a football match. I've added it to the article in a few places. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On second look, it turns out the Guardian have a different MOTM so it's back to the case I noted before where journalists will give out their own MOTM. If I find something more "official" then I'll add it but in the mean time it's safer to remove it altogether. As I said above, MOTM is really no big deal at all. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He's still mentioned as MOTM in "Details". I agree that it's not a big distinction, but it suggests a good game—meaning he might have had some good saves, for example, that would be worth mentioning. But if there's nothing about that in the sources, there's nothing to add. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:58, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gone from details as sources conflict per my earlier point. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:08, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Post-match

Why not name Gary Johnson?
Why not indeed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What was the third great game Johnson referred to—the semis, the final, and what else?
Well far be it from me to read his mind, but I imagine he meant the two semi-final matches and the final. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, right. Duh. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Uwe Rösler should get a full name and link.
He should and now he does. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

Foster has a harv warning, which sfn footnotes would fix. Meanwhile, should it be in a standalone section, "Bibliography"? And how about adding the subtitle?
Addressed. But I don't know what "subtitle" you mean. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The one mentioned here; you may not have seen that comment, as I added it towards the end. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:50, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

The Rambling Man, comments above. --Usernameunique (talk) 08:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, responses above. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:59, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernameunique subtitle added, summary expanded, all done I think. MOTM is unclear so it's out for now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernameunique is there anything left here? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:45, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, it's on the list to look at, but I've been dealing with four of your other articles. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, nice additions to "Summary". I made some prose and copy edits, and am now passing. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]