Talk:Nope (film)

Genre

One thing we can clearly agree on is this film is a science-fiction horror. But I feel it may fall into other genres, such as neo-western (desert and cowboy imagery galore) and/or thriller. I propose it’s categorized as “epic neo-western sci-fi horror.” This is the most concise, accurate way this film can be described. 172.254.82.67 (talk) 23:12, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Are there reliable sources that can confirm "Nope" is an "epic neo-western sci-fi horror" film?--Mr Fink (talk) 03:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I can confirm. In addition to the obvious Western imagery within the work itself, these four articles from The Denver Post, MovieWeb, The Review Geek, and the Washington Post all refer to it as an "epic neo-western sci-fi horror" in some capacity. Trqalobaid (talk) 05:03, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Reviewers may use terms like "epic" to express their impressions of films, though, not to define their genres. "Sci-fi horror Western" is hilariously complicated enough for me—and I'm fond of complication. – AndyFielding (talk) 10:40, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Hey as long as it's considered a neo-Western, I'm happy. Trqalobaid (talk) 01:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

One thing we can clearly agree on is this film is a science-fiction horror. Not sure how this discussion happened without anyone pointing out the Project film guidelines WP:FILMGENRE " the primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified. " There is a SHOUTING WARNING in the wiki source that thinks genres being mentioned "IN SOME CAPACITY" is somehow enough, and demands that nothing be changed without discussion. Please discuss why the guidelines were ignored. I refer you all back to the guidelines and strongly recommended the extra genres be removed from the lead section and list only primary genre and subgenre, namely "science-fiction horror", which User:Apokryltaros said was the one thing we should be able to agree on. There may be other places such as the "Themes" section where these extra genres and influences could be mentioned but there is no excuse for forced genre bloat into the opening sentence. -- 109.77.206.76 (talk) 22:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I also was surprised that WP:FILMGENRE fell through the cracks, but it clearly applies. It generally means only one genre, but certainly not three. I removed neo-western and the SHOUTING WARNING. Shouting it doesn't make it any more true that whispering it. Neo-western should be restored if and only if there is a consensus here to do so, and even then one or both of the other genres need to be removed. The argument that there are many sources for neo-western doesn't make have much meaning because I'm sure the other genres can be backed up with as many or more sources. If I looked I probably could come up with sources for at least two or three more genres, but they don't all belong in the lead. They can be discussed later in the article if they are important, in proportion to the weight they have in reputable sources. The issue here is the "primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified. Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and represent what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources," not the opinion of a couple of Wikipedia editors. Sundayclose (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

• Sorry for the thread resurrection. I just removed neo-Western from the lead per MOS:FILMGENRE and in the absence of any clear consensus above. The cited Rolling Stone source is also ambivalent about whether it's appropriate to call the film a Western. I also removed the neo-Western category, though I would not object to a mention in the body that some consider it a neo-Western. If that's done, it would be sensible to restore the category. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:36, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
  • It seems neo-Western was re-added without any sort of further citations or discussion so removing it from lead. Yeoutie (talk) 14:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)