Talk:DC Universe (franchise)

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Television Series Table

Should we not also include "Network" column in the table? If yes, please do so. Syed Ahmed Qasim (talk) 07:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All of the series are being made for Max. If that changes in the future and there is more than one "network" then a column could be added for that. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where in the article does it state that all the series are being made for Max? Syed Ahmed Qasim (talk) 09:36, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the section for each TV series we include the streaming service if known. We currently do not know of any other than Max. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still suggest adding it as a column, if not, then at least mentioning that all series are being made for Max, somewhere within the text of the article. Syed Ahmed Qasim (talk) 10:59, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added in prose about this. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elseworlds

Shouldn’t My Adventures with Superman be added to Elseworlds or is it not confirmed? 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 12:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a reliable source that supports the Elseworlds label being used for that series then please provide it. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elseworlds

Please stop adding everything DC releases into Elseworlds. This is something Gunn said that once DCU has officially started then projects other than the main continuity come under Elseworlds. The DCU hasn't even started yet. You keep adding the movies like Merry Little Batman which was released last year. Superman & Lois is gonna end soon. There's no point adding that into Elseworlds.

When Gunn first mentioned Superman & Lois to be a part of DCU he did it because it wasn't cancelled and he expected it to continue when DCU starts. And with Merry Little Batman, he mentioned it with a tag of Elseworlds in a tweet trying to respond to someone in a way they would understand. This is not official and he has deleted the tweet after for possibly the same reason.

Adding things like these are not official and dilutes the significance of Elseworlds which is reputed in comics. Help Me Goddess (talk) 01:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That feels like a very cagey WP:SYNTHESIS rationale. How do you know what Gunn intended by his comments or what he was thinking? We have reliable sources verifying this information to be true. Gunn is one of the most official sources of information when it comes to DC nowadays, so to say his comments were not official is plain wrong. Regardless of your thoughts on Elseworlds, your removal is not supported by what the sources actually present. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Elseworlds is included in this article for projects released under that banner by DC Studios, which has existed since November 2022. By all means, intents, and sourcing, those two projects you mentioned (and the others currently in the article) qualify under those rationales. Also, we are not including every DC property. Just see the discussion right above this. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It didn't exist since November 2022. It was first mentioned by Gunn that Elseworlds will be the tag for the projects for all things non-DCU, after the DCU officially starts. Help Me Goddess (talk) 05:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gunn also mentioned all Elseworlds project will come with the Elseworld tag put on them. Did these projects say Elseworlds in any way when they got released? Did they put the tag in front of the movie/series? Help Me Goddess (talk) 05:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://screenrant.com/dc-universe-elseworld-difference-openings-james-gunn/
It shows in this clearly, that all official Elseworlds movies will have a distinct branding. Help Me Goddess (talk) 05:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see. I am sure someone will ask Gunn about this specifically and he will give a clear idea, but I am very sure these will not be included in the official list if it ever gets discussed. Help Me Goddess (talk) 05:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everything in the Elseworlds section at the moment has a reliable source saying it will be released under the Elseworlds branding. If you have updated sources that say this will not be the case then please provide those, otherwise those projects will stay in the section for now. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest arranging them in tabular form. It'll be easier to understand that way. Syed Ahmed Qasim (talk) 12:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What columns would the table have? It is just a simple list of titles. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem of this list is that, probably, every single DC products not tied with the DCU that will come out in the next years will be labeled as DC Elseworld. Within five years, the list will be probably huge. Probably, in the future James Gunn will states that every single old DC products will be "Elseworld". So for the moment it is ok for me to list Merry Little Batman, Harley Quinn and so on, but I think that in the future we should remove some of these products and list only the ones that are labeled "DC Elseworld" in the intro of the film (since Gunn stated that every DC Elseworld products starting from 2025 will have a dedicated intro). Redjedi23 (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We do only list projects that are labeled as "DC Elseworlds" in the intro. If someone tries to add something that is not labeled as such or does not have a source saying it will be, we have removed it. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, in this exact moment there's no product labeled "DC Elseworld" in the intro. The first film that will get this intro is The Batman — Part II, but even Joker: Folie à Deux will not have that intro according to Gunn. Redjedi23 (talk) 07:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is why I said "or does not have a source saying it will be". - adamstom97 (talk) 09:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But The Batman (the first one) and Merry Little Batman has been released and they don't have the "DC Elseworlds" intro, and there aren't sources stating that they will have it. There are sources that shows these products as DC Elseworlds films, but as I stated before probably Gunn consider every single DC product that is not set in the DCU as Elseworlds. Redjedi23 (talk) 10:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether the past projects or future ones have an Elseworlds-specific intro or not, we have confirmation from Gunn that all of the projects mentioned are now classified as Elseworlds. Realistically, he probably does consider every non-DCU work as Elseworlds, but I don't think that's much of an issue at this time. We are only listing ones we have confirmation for (WP:VNT), and I think some of these concerns veer into WP:CRYSTAL territory. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Beetle is not confirmed to be a DCU series

The Deadline article does not state that it is a DCU series. Ok, probably it will be, but we can't assume that (WP:VNT). @Adamstom.97 says that we can't say that the series will be an elseworld: that's correct, in fact I propose to don't write anything about this series in this page for the moment, as we don't know the true nature of the project. Redjedi23 (talk) 20:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like this is a similar case to when new Marvel Studios and Sony-Marvel projects are revealed, in which it is often not explicitly stated they a part of the MCU or Sony's universe, though that is typically the most common/logical path for them moving forward, especially for DC. Gunn and Safran did say there would be a "high bar" for Elseworlds projects, and I think the background information about Blue Beetle and the animation-live action connections (which are more easily connected at the draft here) are enough justification/support for this being in the DCU rather than something that was Elseworlds. If it were Elseworlds, I feel like that would be specified (and we, as such, would need more concrete evidence to support that being the case, as Adam noted in his revert). Just because it is animation and continuing from a DCEU film does not inherently mean it won't be in the DCU, as most of DC Studios' projects will be for the DCU. I think it is a safe call to leave it in this article for now, as it does not seem incorrect. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have sources confirming that most new films and series developed by DC Studios will be set in the DCU. The ones that aren't need special sources to confirm that is the case. Like Trail said, we would not assume that a new project from Marvel Studios is not set in the MCU unless otherwise specified. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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