User talk:Zorro544
I have undone your edits and the edits of your IP these spreading wrong information the admins will be alerted. The arabrometer poll was about religious vs less religious not about irreligious and atheism so be careful. By CircassianBilyal
I have undone your edits
I have undone your edits and the edits of your IP these spreading wrong information the admins will be alerted. The arabrometer poll was about religious vs less religious not about irreligious and atheism so be careful. By CircassianBilyal CircassianBilyal (talk) 12:37, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
August 2020
Zorro544 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Hi, I have been banned by TonyBallioni for abusing multiple accounts for my edits and because I was batting with another user (that user : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arsi786 who has also been banned) and I had some questions about the ban. According to WP:BANEX there are exceptions to limited bans. And one of these exceptions is "Reverting obvious vandalism (such as page content being replaced by obscenities) or obvious violations of the policy about biographies of living persons. The key word is "obvious" – that is, cases in which no reasonable person could disagree." so if I understand, it is possible to still denounce vandalism/sockpuppetry while banned? If yes, how? I'm asking this because the user I was battling with still engage in sockpuppetry with other accounts and I wanted to know if it was possible to denounce them while banned. I have also talked about this on a talk page on one of my sockpuppet account if you want to see : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hommenoir91 Thank you. Zorro544 (talk) 12:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
This is not an unblock request. See WP:GAB to understand how to craft an unblock request. Yamla (talk) 13:19, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- Yamla I am sorry, but I didn't know where to ask that. I'm a bit new to wikipedia. Zorro544 (talk) 13:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Zorro544 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Hi, I have been banned by TonyBallioni for abusing multiple accounts for my edits and because I was batting with another user (that user : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arsi786 who has also been banned). The reason I made multiple accounts is because Arsi wouldn't stop removing my edits and the references I added, or he would edit the numbers, I didn't know what to do because I was a new user at that time so I created more accounts so he would stop removing my sources everytime I did an edit (I didn't know what to do or how to report it, I wasn't aware of the consequences it would have because I'm a new user, I also admit I did some disruptive edits before). He also removed or modified informations about atheism and irreligion in muslim countries (not only my edits, but also other users edits) so I started edit warring with him (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Religion_in_Tunisia&offset=&limit=100&action=history is a good example, Tarek1998, Hichemdu91, Ouicem93 being my socks, Azeriking55, Straubook and CircassianBilyal being his socks). Also some articles such as Religion in Tunisia and Religion in Azerbaijan needed to be updated so I've updated them with my other account Hommenoir91 (which is now banned) and gave more recent sources despite that my edits were removed by one of his new socks after I was banned. Then me and all my socks got banned and I can't create an account anymore now. I admit I went too far and I abused too much accounts instead of talking about the situation. Arsi and his socks has also been banned but I think he is evading the block and still editing (I think his IP comes from the UK and is starting by 92.40.182 but that's just my supposition, if you want I can give all the accounts I suspect to be him), I wanted to know if it was possible to get one account unbanned, or if I can't get unbanned, if I could at least, report vandalism and sockpuppetry. According to WP:BANEX there are exceptions to limited bans. And one of these exceptions is "Reverting obvious vandalism (such as page content being replaced by obscenities) or obvious violations of the policy about biographies of living persons. The key word is "obvious" – that is, cases in which no reasonable person could disagree." so if I understand, it is possible to still denounce vandalism/sockpuppetry while banned? If yes, how? I'm asking this because as I said before I expect the other user I was battling with to still engage in sockpuppetry with other accounts and I wanted to know if it was possible to denounce them while banned. I have also talked about this on a talk page on one of my other account if you want to see : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hommenoir91 Thank you. I apologize for my English mistakes also. Zorro544 (talk) 15:10, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You are correct that BANEX provides exceptions to limited bans. However, you are not banned, you are blocked (though if you keep up the sockpuppetry you may get banned too), and if you were banned, it would have been a siteban rather than a limited ban. In short, BANEX does not apply here. I recommend you take six months and then request an unblock under the standard offer. Since your unblock reason looks to me like "I want to continue my dispute with another editor," I am declining this request. GeneralNotability (talk) 16:19, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- GeneralNotability Ok I see. So basically, if another user is doing block evasion or keep doing sockpuppetry despite being also banned I can't report it? I heard that it was possible to do it by mail but I'm not sure of what I'm saying. That's just what I wanted to know. And thank you for the answer. Zorro544 (talk) 16:44, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Zorro544, GeneralNotability is correct, you can't revert obvious vandalism, because you literally can't edit articles. Your account is blocked from editing anything other than your talk page. I don't think there is a specific rule about whether you can or can't notify someone about sock puppetry. But if you abuse your talk page, you'll be blocked from editing it too, and if you abuse the e-mail system you'll be blocked from that. The definition of abuse is up to the judgement of an admin. If you are seen to be using your talk page to continually carry on a dispute with another user or ping other users to ask them to make edits on your behalf, it will soon be seen as abuse. Even if your talk page access isn't revoked, it could affect your chances of getting unblocked if it looks like you just can't stop battling. That's why I said that you should stick to only legitimate concerns about your block itself. I suggested you read WP:BANEX because it talks a bit about that, but maybe I shouldn't have, because the whole thing doesn't apply to you. Basically what's safe is:
- addressing a legitimate concern about the block itself on your talk page, including asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the block, which you can do by pinging or e-mailing an admin or adding a "help me" template, and
- appealing the block, which you can do using the "unblock" template.
- You certainly won't get unblocked before six months from now. And even then, it's not at all guaranteed. In the meantime, I would recommend that you just take a break and try to stay away. If you speak another language, you could edit in that version of Wikipedia, if you're not blocked there, or on some other Wikimedia project. --IamNotU (talk) 20:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- IamNotU I got frustrated by Arsi removing informations about irreligion in muslim countries, and it seems like it isn't the first time that he does it when I check his talk page. I have heard that you could report for edit warring and vandalism but I didn't really understand well how to do it (again I'm a new user), so I didn't know how to deal with the situation and I've created two accounts (which are MuhammadxHusayn and ChechenWarrior), I shouldn't have done this and be more careful because that's especially what got me banned but anyway. I don't mind coming back in 6 months (I can't create another account anyway unless I change location), But I wouldn't appreciate if Arsi does it again and is removing every sources that is posted about irreligion in muslim countries or editing numbers that are not said in the source just like he was doing before. And if I come back in 6 months I am afraid that he would do it again. As strange as it seems, it's the only edits he reverted from me. And concering your last paragraph I'm already doing it. Zorro544 (talk) 10:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- I understand that it's frustrating. Because of how Wikipedia works, there are many people who push certain beliefs no matter what reliable sources say. A lot of the information in Wikipedia is wrong, and it will always be that way. Try not to get upset about it. Try to stop thinking about Arsi768 for a while. It's not that important, in the big picture. The way Wikipedia works also makes it the greatest encyclopedia ever made... It's more important for everyone to follow the rules and act honestly and in good faith, than to correct any particular wrong information. Wikipedia is not finished, we always keep working on it, and fighting against disruptive editing. Let other people take care of it for now, it will still be here in six months.
- I'll do my best to remove anything that Arsi768 changes while blocked, I spent about an hour last night doing that. He has continued to make sock puppets and edit, and by now there is pretty much no chance he will ever get unblocked. I will also be sure to remove anything that you change while blocked, because any edit you make while blocked, even if it's correct, is one of the bad ones, a disruptive one, a dishonest one. Please don't be tempted to edit while logged out either. I, or someone else, will be able to tell it's you, and you will probaby never be allowed to edit again. Practice editing on another Wikipedia, use reliable sources, don't edit war or sock, use dispute resolution instead. If you can show a good record, you're more likely to get unblocked here. --IamNotU (talk) 11:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- IamNotU Ok thanks for the answer, I think everything is clear now and I'm glad. But just a question, why was the edit on Religion in Kazakhstan removed? And it's fine, I think the best is that I should wait for 2021 before doing another unblock request and going back to edit here and putting some sources, while being more careful because I also went too far on that one. And I'm already editing another Wikipedia, I guess the next time I will do my unblock request I could show what I've done on that other wikipedia. Zorro544 (talk) 12:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
why was the edit on Religion in Kazakhstan removed?
- what did I just say about using your talk page to carry on disputes about edits? It's not your concern right now. --IamNotU (talk) 12:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)- IamNotU Concerning your previous comment I think it was removed because of sockpuppetry and block evasion. I need to stop focusing too much on that and just wait or I don't think it would make the situation better for me. Zorro544 (talk) 13:05, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- IamNotU Ok thanks for the answer, I think everything is clear now and I'm glad. But just a question, why was the edit on Religion in Kazakhstan removed? And it's fine, I think the best is that I should wait for 2021 before doing another unblock request and going back to edit here and putting some sources, while being more careful because I also went too far on that one. And I'm already editing another Wikipedia, I guess the next time I will do my unblock request I could show what I've done on that other wikipedia. Zorro544 (talk) 12:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- IamNotU I got frustrated by Arsi removing informations about irreligion in muslim countries, and it seems like it isn't the first time that he does it when I check his talk page. I have heard that you could report for edit warring and vandalism but I didn't really understand well how to do it (again I'm a new user), so I didn't know how to deal with the situation and I've created two accounts (which are MuhammadxHusayn and ChechenWarrior), I shouldn't have done this and be more careful because that's especially what got me banned but anyway. I don't mind coming back in 6 months (I can't create another account anyway unless I change location), But I wouldn't appreciate if Arsi does it again and is removing every sources that is posted about irreligion in muslim countries or editing numbers that are not said in the source just like he was doing before. And if I come back in 6 months I am afraid that he would do it again. As strange as it seems, it's the only edits he reverted from me. And concering your last paragraph I'm already doing it. Zorro544 (talk) 10:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Zorro544, GeneralNotability is correct, you can't revert obvious vandalism, because you literally can't edit articles. Your account is blocked from editing anything other than your talk page. I don't think there is a specific rule about whether you can or can't notify someone about sock puppetry. But if you abuse your talk page, you'll be blocked from editing it too, and if you abuse the e-mail system you'll be blocked from that. The definition of abuse is up to the judgement of an admin. If you are seen to be using your talk page to continually carry on a dispute with another user or ping other users to ask them to make edits on your behalf, it will soon be seen as abuse. Even if your talk page access isn't revoked, it could affect your chances of getting unblocked if it looks like you just can't stop battling. That's why I said that you should stick to only legitimate concerns about your block itself. I suggested you read WP:BANEX because it talks a bit about that, but maybe I shouldn't have, because the whole thing doesn't apply to you. Basically what's safe is:
Continued socking
After all the above, the user has continued to sock as Special:Contributions/ShamilAzeri... --IamNotU (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)