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2024 in the Maldives

Hello! I have been trying to fix and remove what suspiciously looks like items copied from a newspaper but editors have continued to disregard and even restore such poorly-written content. Although Earwig tells me it is only a 16% copypaste, I have noticed that most of the entries have too many similar wordings with a newspaper headline or the introduction to a newspaper article. I have already flagged the article for lots of reasons but I appreciate if you could provide further advice on what to do. Thanks! Borgenland (talk) 17:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed at CopyPatrol (3)

Hello copyright patrollers, we currently have 113 reports at CopyPatrol that need to be assessed. Assistance would be much appreciated! Pinging some recent contributors as shown on the Leaderboard: DanCherek, Moneytrees, Ymblanter, ARandomName123, as well as GreenLipstickLesbian, Shaws username, and L3X1. Please stop by and help, even if you only have time to do a few cases. Thanks. — Diannaa (talk) 11:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Stockbroker369

Hi Diannaa; you have twice earlier this year messaged Stockbroker369 on their talk page about copyright; i've just come across some more questionable material but, as i'm not at all sure about copyright, it would be wonderful if you or a stalker could just check my work on L'Île Coco and be sure i removed the right stuff. Thank you. Happy days, ~ LindsayHello 15:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grrateful for comments and I live hte rin aeuritius an gladlto texplain what I document with facts, notbased on conjectur, frankly, from abroade. Just ask and I will fill in the gaps Humbly yours.. Stockbroker369 (talk) 16:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quotations need citations. Please add your citation at the same time you add a quote, and whenever you add content of any kind actually. — Diannaa (talk) 17:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the typos. I am contributing to my country and its culture and you are not sure whether copyright is involved? Stockbroker369 (talk) 17:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Short quotations are allowed. It's not a violation of our copyright policy to include them. Please don't add quotations, or anything else either, without a supporting citation. — Diannaa (talk) 18:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Million Dollar Baby

Hi. I hope this version is better. Yours. Tkaras1 (talk) 17:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem to violate copyright, but it's unintelligible, so I am removing it. — Diannaa (talk) 17:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain so I can address your concerns? Tkaras1 (talk) 17:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "due to Eastwood's having appeared in the U.S. House of Representatives seeking reforms to the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) which some claimed ." Some claimed what? What did they claim?
  • "The main change Eastwood, who had been a defendant in an ADA lawsuit, in which he had largely prevailed, sought was to give defendants in such cases notice of alleged violations and then 90 days to comply." Surely there's a way to convert this to plain English? Perhaps by not trying to present two completely unrelated ideas in the same sentence? And why would they be asked to comply if the violations were only alleged? — Diannaa (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Alleged" by plaintiffs and their counsel which begins the legal process.
    I can submit you my next draft here rather than edit the article again if that's preferable.
    Yours. Tkaras1 (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How about "Some disability rights activists claimed Eastwood was trying to weaken the ADA due to his appearance before the House Judiciary Committee seeking reforms to give businesses 90 days to comply with proven violations and to discourage frivolous complaints which resulted in heavy legal fees and exorbitant damages, often to small businesses."
    Tkaras1 (talk) 18:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The activists do not actually claim that Eastwood is attempting to weaken the ADA, It's the author of the Chicago Times article that said that. So no, I don't think you should add that. — Diannaa (talk) 18:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    By the way, the content you are trying to add is already included in the article, which says, "The Chicago Tribune reported that protests against the film by disability activists occurred in Chicago, Berkeley, and other cities, and that Clint Eastwood had lobbied for weakening provisions of the Americans with Disabilities Act." — Diannaa (talk) 18:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The wording is inaccurate, and, IMHO, heavily misleading. Eastwood's actual argument and motivation should be clear. Maybe I should check the Eastwood page and see what is there. Tkaras1 (talk) 18:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On your removal of my information in article ‘Reichstag fire decree’

Hello, Diana. I can see that you recently removed a new tab I added in ‘Reichstag fire decree’. You reasoned this by saying that sources were not provided. I did, in fact, provide sources in the ‘external links’. If you want to change the newly added tab, feel free, but please do not remove the entire tab. I am a fair Wikipedia contributor and not a vandal. My information was not biased, but factual. I provide sources for any big edit I do (although I don’t have many big edits). I see you have waaaay more edits than me, but do not dismiss me as some vandal. Please do not remove the tab. Tab’s name: ‘The removed articles’. If you feel that the name could be better, change it, but please do not remove it. Thank you, Diana. -MicholsUsed MicholIsUsed (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @MicholIsUsed:, I have removed your content again, and explained my reasoning at User talk:MicholIsUsed#Verifiability requirement for Wikipedia article content. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of chef's comments from Hell's Kitchen (Season 17): All Stars

Hello, Diana. I saw that you've removed the chef's elimination quotes from Hell's Kitchen: All Stars (Season 17), citing "unsourced quotations". I mean, was that necessary? The page has the chef's quotes from Season 1 through 16. Why can't I add them from Season 17 onward to Season 22? And what can I do to make them sourced so that I CAN post them? I don't think it's fair to me. I don't get it. What can I do to fix this problem? Christopher K. Howell (talk) 14:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If all the other seasons have quotes I think they should come out too, especially if they are unsourced. — Diannaa (talk) 23:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if it helps, the source is from the Hell's Kitchen Wiki page. There are also the uncensored episodes on YouTube. So, yes, they do have quotes from the chefs. If it does, can I reverse the changes you've made without getting any strikes or warnings? Christopher K. Howell (talk) 11:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fandom is not considered to be a reliable source; it's a wiki. These quotes are not something I would edit war over. — Diannaa (talk) 12:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So I can't do anything? What can I do? What are reliable sources? Christopher K. Howell (talk) 12:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could start a discussion on the talk page and see if you can get consensus to add them back. — Diannaa (talk) 12:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How? Christopher K. Howell (talk) 12:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Go to Talk:Hell's Kitchen (American TV series) season 17
  2. Open a new section
  3. Discuss the content you want to add. Relevant policy includes Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Writing_about_fiction. Frankly, to me all those episode summaries look ridiculously long even without the comments from eliminated contestants.
Valereee (talk) 13:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I did that. What happens next? Christopher K. Howell (talk) 14:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see this is your first time posting to an article talk page. Normally discussion now takes place there. Valereee (talk) 16:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Schazjmd (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Task complete. Thank you for the report. — Diannaa (talk) 15:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kym Worthy

Copyvio ([1])? Tkaras1 (talk) 00:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) Looks like reverse copying from Wikipedia – the TED webpage looks like it was created in September 2018 (based on the date of the TED talk and the Internet Archive copies), while some of the matching text was already in the Wikipedia article back when it was created in 2008, and the rest was added throughout the years and was pretty much all present by this 2016 revision. DanCherek (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright rule Antioch International Movement of Churches

Hello Diannaa, about your copyright message, good to know more about wikipedia's policy on copyrights. However, because that section of my edit's history has been erased, I'm unable to see and thus fully understand where my actual mistakes were. Is there any way you can undo that? Why did the history have to be erased, my edit had already been revised. I would also assume there are some grey areas in what is a copyright and what isn't.Pride2bme (talk) 06:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was some content that matched material that was a match for your source here. The revisions containing the copyright material were hidden from view under under criterion RD1 of the revision deletion policy, and that's why you can't access them any more. The content was "On an episode of Dateline NBC..." down to the end of the paragraph. There's no grey areas in copyright. The source webpage is marked at the bottom as "© 2024 Christianity Today... All rights reserved." — Diannaa (talk) 12:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I can't even recall sourcing the exact wordings from that particular paragraph but I'm very sure I didn't copy-paste anyway. So I'm still not able to learn what exact mistakes I made from a deleted example. I do think there is a difficult balance one has to tread between being faithful to a source and conveying it on one's own words. Yet I can imagine some editors may delete a contribution because they don't view it as faithful to a source. And putting things in one's own words can be susceptible to bias accusations. So it can feel like a double bind. There are also facts and sources that claim to be "fact." Also confusingly are experts and expert opinions. Does an expert's opinion constitute as fact? I'm not always sure. Are these violations always subject to speedy deletions? Pride2bme (talk) 13:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also confused on your explanation about there not being a grey area, citing "The source webpage is marked at the bottom as "© 2024 Christianity Today... All rights reserved." Copyrighted material is relatively easy to spot and assume, but is the issue we're not supposed to source from copyrighted material at all or my source copied the copywritten material too verbatim? The rules I have read so far indicate the latter so I'm confused why the former was given as your reasoning. Pride2bme (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to start with a comparison of the source document with what you added. Overlapping material is in bold.

Source says:

On an episode of Dateline NBC this past June, she told reporters she thought her daughter's actions in Afghanistan had blatantly broken the edict Taliban officials handed down four months before Heather arrived in the volatile land. The rule stated that any non-Muslim found trying to convert Muslims would be killed. Oddy also alleged her daughter and the rest of the Shelter team endangered the lives of Afghans by breaking a similar rule that called for the death penalty for anyone who converted from Islam to another religion.

you added this:

On an episode of Dateline NBC, she told reporters her daughter's actions in Afghanistan had blatantly broken a Taliban edict. The rule stated that any non-Muslim trying to convert Muslims would be killed. Oddy also stated her daughter and the rest of the team endangered the lives of Afghans by breaking a similar rule that called for the death penalty for anyone who converted from Islam to another religion.

To answer your questions, you should be able to see that your edit was not balanced between putting things in your own words and staying faithful to the source; the only difference between the source and your addition is you left some words out and changed one word. That's a clear violation of our copyright policy.
Avoiding bias is a separate issue. Here, you were trying to convey the mother's comments an interviewer from NBC. Since it's the mother's statement or opinion, there's no reason for anyone to accuse you of bias. I do notice though that this particular paragraph was only part of a larger edit that someone else removed for reasons other than copyvio, as you can see by their edit summaries: "Unsourced or poorly sourced material, most of which is crammed into the lead against WP policy (see WP:LEAD for example"; their second edit summary was "Undid revision 1227847965 by Pride2bme (talk) - lede is ridiculously long, 1023 words, even Donald Trump lead has only 606 words. lead is overly focused on negatives also". I suggest you discuss with them regarding these aspects.
To answer your final question which you posted while I was preparing this reply, it looks like something I said was not clear; of course it is okay to use copyright material as your sources. We really couldn't write any content otherwise. Almost everything you find online, in books, in magazines, and in newspapers is copyright, and cannot be copied here; it's against the copyright policy of this website to do so. — Diannaa (talk) 14:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I still don't remember writing it to that extent but yeah I see the overlap now. Thanks for the explanation. I also frustratingly tried to explain the to the other editors in the talk that I was not responsible of the other "WP:lead" edit that was referred to and one of them sort of corrected that. Pride2bme (talk) 14:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ode to Billie Joe

You may want to rev del. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks for the report. — Diannaa (talk) 14:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Susan Lewis

Why have you removed my edit about casting from this page. You removed a source about casting, and the remainder that you subsequently left makes no sense at all. The Hollywood reporter was referenced and you've removed sources and left prose that make no sense in context now 2A01:4B00:8404:100:19AB:7013:2E3C:2EFA (talk) 11:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The content I removed was a match for the source https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Susan_Lewis&action=history and thus was a violation of our copyright policy. — Diannaa (talk) 13:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't a match for the source. The introducing sentence was altered and the rest is quoted from the source material using quotation marks. Perhaps actually check what you are claiming to be a match before blindly removing sourced content included in good faith, and subsequently leaving an article unsourced with an entire remaining section that makes absolutely no sense now. Ridiculous editing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4B00:8404:100:19AB:7013:2E3C:2EFA (talk • contribs)

Here is a side-by-side comparison. Overlapping material is in bold.
Your addition:

According to show creator John Wells and casting director John Frank Levey, actress Sherry Stringfield’s casting was partially due to a serendipitous encounter with Levey and Wells on an aeroplane.

Source says:

Stringfield's casting was partially due to a serendipitous encounter with Levey and Wells on an airplane."

Diannaa (talk) 13:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, not a direct copy at all, and instead of putting speech marks around serendipitous encounter, you remove an entire sourced sentence and butcher the prose. Try not to be so trigger happy and pedantic with your editing perhaps. People like you deter people from contributing. Disgraceful— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4B00:8404:100:19AB:7013:2E3C:2EFA (talk • contribs)

Going around adding quotation marks to every copyvio is not a very practical solution to our copyright problems (in fact people would think I was incompetent if I did that!), and does not fit in well at all with our non-free content rules and copyright policy. — Diannaa (talk) 22:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was not a serendipitous encounter; it was reported at CopyPatrol, where I am a regular participant. — Diannaa (talk) 22:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools

Hi Dianna - seems this page was prematurely moved...who do we report these to? Geraldine Aino (talk) 13:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could start by discussing the matter with the person who moved the page. — Diannaa (talk) 13:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Australian copyright

Is this Australian source copyrighted in America? It was written anonymously, and published in 1945. I am not sure if URAA applies because it would have entered the Public Domain in Australia the day that the URAA act went into effect. Thank you for your help. Scorpions1325 (talk) 14:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the Commons:Hirtle chart. Which then refers us to the Wikipedia:Non-US copyrights. Answering the 5 questions, the item looks to me like it is PD in both the source country and the US. — Diannaa (talk) 21:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Username

hi! could you please change my username? Rowan hunter little plante (talk) 16:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I don't know how to do that. Please visit Wikipedia:Changing username — Diannaa (talk) 22:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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