User:ALeigh602/sandbox
Lead in - the lead in section is redundant and not at all helpful. Will draft new lead in, once structure of page and content in following sections is completed.
Biography - Information in her biography section could be split through other sections in the page. I want to focus the biography information on literally just life, family, death. Her work at the university should not be included in this section.
Honours and Awards - This section is a load of crap for lack of better words. This woman was offered a doctorate and several positions at a university and this is all we decide to put on WP about her awards, "A 31 km crater on Venus[8] honours her name, along with a high school (language, social sciences and music) and a city street in Bologna." This section will be edited substantially or completely removed.
Works - This section just contains a list of her writings; this is unacceptable and will be substantially edited to show how she wrote much more, but a lot of her writings were not published or preserved. Her works should not be limited to JUST this list, as she provided 31 dissertations to the University of Bologna.
See Also - what is the point of this section? from what I can tell these women have very little similarity to Laura Bassi? Could we model it after the "See also" on Aristotle's page? Because his list actually connects to you know.. him. See below block quote below:
Proposed New Structure
Early Life
Work
b.University
b.Beliefs
Published Works (Will include attempt for short synthesis)
List of Honours and Awards
UPDATE: I am working mostly on hard copy paper as well as in a Microsoft Word document with track changes.
Tulia d'Aragona
Dialogue on the Infinity of Love: Tullia's Magnum Opus was this book that she wrote (of her philosophies), yet it is only referenced on the Wikipedia page, there is no information on what it is about.
Dialogue on the Infinity of Love by Tullia d'Aragona was initially published in Venice, Italy in 1547 (in Italian); however, in recent years it was translated and published in English for the first time by Rinaldina Russell and Bruce Merry in 1997. This book of philosophy was the first of its kind, for it cast a female rather than a male as the main commentator/ knowledge holder on the ethics of love. During Tullia's life, all forms of sensual experiences were considered sacrilegious, but Tulia argues in her work that all sexual drives are uncontrollable and blameless, and that they combined with spiritual needs create the only moral form of love. The only way for love to be honorable, according to this piece, is if both males and females accept and acknowledge their sexual and spiritual desires (of their body and soul). This concept, not only validated the importance of sexual desires within a society that choose to repress such things, but it also vindicated the role/ power of women in a society that viewed women as less than. Tullia brings women to an equal level with men in regards to both their sexual nature and their intellect.
Later Years: Tullia was born to mother who was a courtesan (to a rumored wealthy father), but she also continued on to be a courtesan like her mother. She, however, used the knowledge she acquired in school to move herself out of that status. I hope to find more information on how she did this (I have found one source about a husband she married to help raise her status)
Diotima of Matinea
Kristy Madrigal 11/02/2016 Beginning Paragraph: Add Biography: there is not background information regarding her background and who was her teacher of Philosophy. The editors talk about her role in platonic love so I would maybe make another section for that as she is responsible for that.
Role in Symposium: Although this is the only known piece of work that Diotima of Mantinea wrote in, there should be more information added to this section. She had a major role in Plato's Symposium so I think she should have more credit for it.
Identity of Diotima: I would really like to focus on her identity and who she was as a female Philosopher, as there should be so much more to it. I could also enhance the section of her Influence in other works if she is mentioned in other works. She influenced many philosophers who are widely known and they take most of the credit, so I would really like to focus on that as well. I am not sure if her father was a philosopher as well so I will look into that and add that to this section.
Overall this article needs a lot more information because she was an important philosopher in Plato and Socrates' careers, and we really do not know much about her. 209.129.115.6 (talk) 16:47, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
"Like the goddess Demeter, Diotima, the prophetess who teaches Socrates about eros and the 'rites of love' in Plato's Symposium, was a mystagogue who initiated individuals into her mysteries, mediating to humans esoteric knowledge of the divine" "Diotima's speech contains religious and mystical language, some of which evokes the female-centered yearly celebrations of Demeter at Eleusis". (Nancy Evans, 1)
Socrates gives a speech in praise of Eors that suggests a redefinition of love. In fact, Socrates' praise of Eros becomes a philosophical discussion of Being that redefines the relationship not simply between human erotic partners, male-female as well as male-male, but even the relationship between human and divine. Socrates claims from the onset that the speech he gives is not his own, but rather one he heard from a woman. It is the prophet Diotima of Mantineia, Socrates says, who taught him about love, about Eros, and about eros and the divine.
Diotima was a mystagogue, or a leader of the mustai (Evans 4)
Diotima's speech offered Plato's audience the opportunity to shift their views on reality, change, and human experience. (7)
Peer Review
- I think your team is on the right track as far as information being planned to be added goes. I'm glad you all are editing this article because it is painfully meager. And I completely agree that the honors and awards section is ridiculous. You did mention perhaps deleting honors and awards completely. I think this section is useful (once updated and added to of course). I think it is important to recognize the legacy of Bassi especially considering the era she is from. I hope you end up editing it rather than discarding it.J.carrillo (talk) 01:55, 2 November 2016 (UTC)