Talk:Tony Kornheiser/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 14:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:37, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• It contains copyright infringements - CopyVio comes up clean. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). - clean Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. - clean Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Links

• Three links have issues. 105 has conection issues, as does 142. 140 is likely dead, and needs archiving/tagging as dead. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Lots of references are missing accessdates. These should be in addition to archivedates? no? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• No dablinks Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Remove all external links, aside from the official website. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Prose

Lede

• "He is best known for his endeavors in three forms of media:" - Not a fan of this type of sentence, especially in the lede of an article. What sources say he is best known for this? Better off to say that he's a presenter in three types of media. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Not a fan of quotes in ledes. If it must be kept, just say that John Walsh called him the "most multitalented person ever". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:43, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Lede is quite short for such a long article. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Early life

• A few simple sentences here. Not sure what the prose gains regarding Kornheiser speaking well about being at college, or about his father cutting dresses. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Print career

• which were a Tuesday column and a Thursday column - shorten to Tuesday and Thursday column. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:51, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• ESPN Radio in 1997 and kept his column at the Post - Whilst retaining his column. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Should the writing style not go at the end of this whole section? This is like a career section, with a reception section in the middle of seasons. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• a string of now-famous Bandwagon Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:54, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• I haven't read the MOS for American football, but using the word "trounced" isn't WP:NPOV in my eyes. whitewashed is fine though. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• He called these short columns "columnettes," - punctuation goes outside of quotes, unless the whole sentence is a quote. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The quotes are a little excessive. Kornheiser repeated his account: "Raju Narisetti fired me from the Washington Post and I hate his guts.", could easily be summarized, with "hate his guts" as the quoted statement. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Radio and podcast career

• "streamed live on the station's website, ESPN980.com" - broadcast not streamed. And the website name is not relevent. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• There was originally a 24-hour "podcast delay," a source of many jokes amongst fans and show members alike.[51] The delay ended in 2015, allowing listeners to download episodes a few minutes after the live broadcast. - The article really doesn't explain why this is important. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The podcast-only show is produced in partnership with sports talent agency IMG and on-demand audio company DGital Media.[58] The podcast is available at 11 a.m. ET via iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, Stitcher, and TuneIn.[59] - Smacks of advertising to me Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Throughout its many iterations, a central quality of the show has been its eagerness to discuss issues other than sports, including news, politics, entertainment, and the idiosyncrasies of modern life - More promotion. remove the word quality. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• In its early years, the show amassed a large and loyal following that remains to this day.[2][62] - NPOV issues again here, large is subjective. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The whole final paragrph here needs pruning. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Television Career

• The image you have, should have Pardon the Interruption in full. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• "popular" and "local hero" fail WP:NPOV Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• You don't need to write abbreviated, nor wikilink the abbreviation. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Unlink podcast, it's been discussed ad nasuem before. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• "sports... and other stuff" - Is this a section of the show? Seems like WP:FANCRUFT. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• "When Monday Night Football moved from ABC to ESPN, Kornheiser received and accepted an offer to be a color analyst on Monday Night Football in early 2006" - Remove the second mention of the show. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• when play-by-play man - play-by-play commentator Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• wikilink NBC, it's not mentioned in the article before this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• " he in fact spent a five-week period on the road traveling to mainly western MNF sites, doing PTI via satellite." - he spent a five-week... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• last two paragraphs seem out of joint. It says he returned for a second season, then a quote that he would "love to come back", then it says he left. ?? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Entertainment

• The 2004–2005 sitcom Listen Up! - Generally shows are denoted by their first showing, not the entire range. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Kornheiser is quoted as saying: "Did I always want to be part of a restaurant? No. But now with a podcast and trying to own my own content, the ability to put it on during the mornings or during the day and to have other people use it, that would be fun for me."[95] - quote seems redundant Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• he continues to do so, and many fans of the show visit the restaurant to listen live - wording is very fan service. Say something like "presently, listeners can visit the restaurant to listen to the podcast live." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Personal life

• All of the information from the white house visits should come here, if it's important. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• "He regularly goes to bed early.[19][107] He can name all fifty U.S. states and their capitals in alphabetical order." - WP:TRIVIA Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Criticism

• This should really go above the personal life section. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• read WP:copyediting reception sections. The section should certainly start with a generalisation of how he's been recieved. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Remove the "general" subsection. It's implied. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Mike Golic – an ESPN colleague of Kornheiser's who had expressed skepticism regarding the latter's prospects as an on-air analyst because he was never an athlete[118] – said that Kornheiser's performance on MNF was "fine." - The sentense prose is wrong. Try Mike Golic – an ESPN colleague of Kornheiser's -had expressed skepticism regarding the latter's prospects as an on-air analyst because he was never an athlete[118] later said that Kornheiser's performance on MNF was "fine." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The final sentence seems to either be in jest, or that the original claim was sarcastic. It doesn't seem to explain this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Should mention that ESPN Deportes is broadcast in Spanish. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The article doesn't explain what is wrong with the comment. Seems like it was simply a joke. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• All quotes need to be in speech marks. I'd ask if this quote was neccesary... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• These quotes are ridiculous. I'd also need some explination as to why/where Kornheiser would comment on the bicycles. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Just for reference, Wikipedia isn't censored. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• The last paragraph doesn't seem to belong. It's not got any controversy associated with it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Honors

• this needs to be turned into paragraphs. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
• Remove "such notable names as" Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Books

• Rename to "publications" Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Notes & References

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

Overall, the article needs some work. I'll place this on hold, and give you up to 7 days to make the changes required. The article in general needs a copy edit, things like having too many (and too long) quotes borders on copyright. There's also a lot of cases of speech marks being used after punctuation incorrectly. I've also highlighted quite a few cases of WP:NPOV violations.

Please let me know if anything I've said above isn't clear. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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