Talk:Northrop YF-23/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ian Rose (talk) 11:35, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Technical review

• Dab links come up for Northrop and Lockheed.  Fixed Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• The woodoo-world.cz external link seems to time out.  Fixed Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Structure/prose/images/detail

• Performed my usual brief copyedit but generally everything above looks okay.

Referencing

• All statements cited and works appear reliable. Main thing is inconsistencies in style:
  • There's a mixture of US and British date formats in journal and retrieval dates.
  • While most access dates appear as "Retrieved <date>" and "Retrieved: <date>" (with colon) -- should be consistent.  Fixed Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    • 'Fraid we still have a mix of "Retrieved" and "Retrieved:" (with colon). I think the issue is that you use the "accessdate" parameter in some citations; this returns "Retrieved <date>" without a colon. The way around the inconsistency is to always use "Retrieved" in your manually written retrieval dates -- then they should all match up. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
      • All looks consistent now, tks. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
        • That took longer than necessary. Sorry, I missed the difference with the cite template ones. Thanks to Sp33dyphil for reformatting those to make consistent. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Some cited links have retrieval dates and some don't -- all should, I think.  Fixed Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, no, a number of online citations still don't have a retrieval date. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Date formats are all D-M-Y format for US military. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:35, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Summary

• This looks like a decent, succinct article on the alternative stealth fighter, so if you can just address the above minor points I'll be happy to pass it. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Kyteto comments

I had wrote an elaborate summary of comments and sentences I think could use turning, with substitute suggestions also included. Wikipedia had a serious server error, and helpfully all that was lost. So hours later, now I feel the server is more stable, I'll try again. Here's hoping. Kyteto (talk) 19:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• "The YF-23s were relegated to museum exhibits." I would reword as "Both YF-23s are now museum exhibits".  Fixed Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• "This was made more crucial by the emerging worldwide threats, including development and proliferation of Soviet Su-27 "Flanker"- and MiG-29 "Fulcrum"-class fighter aircraft." Fulcrum isn't really a class, I'd change this confusing wording towards: "The need for a more advanced aircraft was emphasised by foreign advances, emerging Soviet fighters like the Su-27 and MiG-29 were designed with considerable agility, and several other nations were proposing new aircraft as well."  Fixed Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• "Piloted by Jim Sandberg, this fighter took off for its first flight on 26 October" I'd replace with: "This aircraft made its first flight on 26 October, piloted by Jim Sandberg".  Fixed Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• "It has been speculated in the aviation press that the YF-22 was also seen as more adaptable to the Navy's Navalized Advanced Tactical Fighter" I'd reword to "Miller made note of speculation that the YF-22 was also seen..."

• Didn't change because another source had surfaced. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• I'd redistribute some of the references in the first paragraph of the body, they're a bit bunched up as four in a row, while there's no others littered throughout. It isn't a problem at GA level, but as I am being asked for comments, the people up at FAC would probably tear into it as it is. Then again, some of the people at FAC need tearing into.... :P

• Moved one source. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• "Both YF-23s were furnished in the configuration specified before the requirement for thrust reversing was dropped" This wording confuses me a little. Was there ever a prototype made with thrust reversing? And what is the 'configuration specified', specified where, in that paragraph? It could use a little clarity, though I'd be tempted to dump much of the sentence altogether, as I don't understand what it was trying to convoy. Perhaps I'm being a little dense though.

• Fnlayson added that. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 06:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• No, the requirement for thrust reversers was dropped during development (see Advanced Tactical Fighter#Request for proposals). The bulges in the fuselage skin for the engine was not shrunk after the reversers were dropped. Suppose I need to clarify this in the text.. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I hope this has been helpful, it hasn't been my intention to do anything other. I defer to Ian Rose as the more experienced primary reviewer, who shall have the final say. I'll try to think up some more comments tomorrow following a fresh look. Kyteto (talk) 19:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Tks Kyteto, and also Fnlayson for his work. As the article seems to have stabilised again now, I had another quick run-though and am generally satisfied with mods but pls note above comment re. retrieval dates. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Passing as GA, well done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)