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Bi Tan
Another source says "The artificial lake Emerald Lake (Bi Tan) was formed by damming the Hsintien River." Is the reservoir of Feitsui Dam also known as Bi Tan? If so, this should be mentioned. If not, Bi Tan should be mentioned in the article for the dam that created it. Here is a photo that could be added: File:碧潭 腳踏船20100314.JPG Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Bitan is actually a couple of miles downstream on the Xindian (Hsintien) river, while Feitsui Dam is on the Beishih River tributary. The reservoir at Feitsui is closed to all public access (quite a shame, really) while Bitan is a popular tourist spot. I don't believe there's an article at the moment. Shannon 12:46, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Reservoir or dam?
The Chinese used to translate "Feitsui Dam" is 翡翠水庫, yet 水庫 means "reservoir". Chinese has a fine word for "dam", namely, 水壩 (or, in combination, just 壩), and in fact, the Chinese version of this article uses that word for the dam itself, rather than the reservoir. Perhaps, because the reservoir itself is hidden from public view, what most people see of the reservoir is only the dam, so there is confusion? Perhaps the English or the Chinese should be changed to better reflect each other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.74.122.103 (talk) 01:48, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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Requested move 14 December 2018
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Moved as proposed. After extended time for discussion, it is clear that there is consensus to change the "Feitsui" component to "Feicui"; there does not particularly appear to be consensus on the dam/reservoir question. bd2412 T 03:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Feitsui Dam → Feicui Dam – We use pinyin for Chinese toponyms in Taiwan. De wafelenbak (talk) 14:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 20:59, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
Tentative oppose, I'm aware that "Feitsui" is not pinyin, but the official governing body in charge of the dam uses the "Feitsui" spelling. Thoughts? Shannon [ Talk ] 18:10, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, translitterations used by the government are a total mess: pinyin, Wade-Giles and other systems can be found everywhere, as well as systems made up by the local civil servant. That's why we don't follow these websites on Wikipedia, we use pinyin. For example, we write Qigu District, even though most local websites use Cigu (e.g. [1]). So it would be logical to write Feicui as well. De wafelenbak (talk) 15:26, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- I second your sentiments, but...
- ...Should the target be Feicui Dam or Feicui Reservoir? The article gives 翡翠水庫 (Fěicuì Shuǐkù) as the "official name" and 水庫 (shuǐkù) is "reservoir", not "dam". — AjaxSmack 06:23, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- You are right, Feicui Reservoir makes more sense. On the other hand, on List of dams and reservoirs in Taiwan it seems we use dam quite consistently. De wafelenbak (talk) 08:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Well the articles tend to focus more on the dams than the reservoirs (although this is sometimes true of "reservoir" articles from other countries. My guess is it's probably partly because of the Chinglish mistranslation of 水庫 as "dam" that often pops up on signs in Taiwan and I've heard used by the country's (2nd-language) English speakers. — AjaxSmack 16:27, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- OK, then I support moving to Feicui Reservoir. De wafelenbak (talk) 08:47, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep it at "Feicui Dam" - the article is mostly about the dam, not the reservoir. I changed some of the Chinese characters in the lead to address these concerns. Shannon [ Talk ] 22:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
- OK, then I support moving to Feicui Reservoir. De wafelenbak (talk) 08:47, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Well the articles tend to focus more on the dams than the reservoirs (although this is sometimes true of "reservoir" articles from other countries. My guess is it's probably partly because of the Chinglish mistranslation of 水庫 as "dam" that often pops up on signs in Taiwan and I've heard used by the country's (2nd-language) English speakers. — AjaxSmack 16:27, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- You are right, Feicui Reservoir makes more sense. On the other hand, on List of dams and reservoirs in Taiwan it seems we use dam quite consistently. De wafelenbak (talk) 08:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: I see a good possibility of consensus here, but I'm not quite sure on what, (;-> Andrewa (talk) 20:59, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
- Support Feicui Reservoir. I can't read Chinese, but Chrome's auto-translator translates it to "reservoir", so that's good enough for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rreagan007 (talk • contribs)
- I don't think that we should trust an auto-translator over the content of the article which is obviously about the dam. A separate article could be made about the reservoir. Shannon [ Talk ] 19:54, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
- Support as proposed. I agree with Shannon that the current article is basically about the dam. Just go ahead and replace 水庫 (reservoir) with 水壩 (dam) in the Chinese version at the top of the article and the problem is solved, isn't it? The Chinese article is split between discussing the dam and the reservoir, but that doesn't need to determine what we do here. Pinging AjaxSmack to see if he can provide further insight. Dekimasuよ! 03:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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