Talk:Bed Bath & Beyond

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Bed Bath & Beyond Filled For Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Today.

. USSRRED (talk) 18:57, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:TENSE

The company is still operating. Even once it ceases operations, the correct language is likely some form of Bed Bath & Beyond is a former ..., not Bed Bath & Beyond was .... —Locke Cole • t • c 03:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've archived the most recent logos for the company, I updated the infobox logo with the vertical variant, I leave it to any concerned editors to decide if they'd rather switch to the horizontal variant. Sadly, the PDF file I used as a source can't seem to be archived by archive.org (link), if anyone knows of a way to force the Internet Archive to save the file, feel free to add an archive URL to the file pages. =)

—Locke Cole • t • c 04:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So any mention of the Memestock types?

Or would it be a waste of time, breath, and typography to even deign attention towards the same imbeciles who tried to make GME happen to a company undergoing liquidation? 2601:540:C700:42DF:76C8:5F43:53F1:5C95 (talk) 04:38, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not until something notable happens involving retail investors. ~ Röbin Liönheart (talk) 08:56, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. Several editors imply that this move request is not timely. It could be reconsidered later, in a few months to a year. EdJohnston (talk) 01:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– The old Bed Bath & Beyond has failed, and has discarded the name by changing its name to 20230930-DK-Butterfly-1, Inc., probably because it no longer owns the old name. Overstock.com has purchased the name and become the new Bed Bath & Beyond. Someone contested my move, forcing me to undo the moves and use this process. I originally thought that these corporate name changes had made the moves uncontroversial enough to be bold and move everything. Jesse Viviano (talk) 13:04, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide evidence that the online retailer is now the primary topic? Esolo5002 (talk) 13:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When you go to the Bed Bath & Beyond website, you are going to the former Overstock.com website that has been rebranded. See https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/01/business/bed-bath-beyond-relaunch/index.html and https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/01/bed-bath-beyond-relaunches-as-online-only-retailer.html talking about the former Overstock.com as the new Bed Bath & Beyond. Jesse Viviano (talk) 13:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Right but can you provide evidence that when people are looking for Bed Bath and Beyond they aren't looking for the former big-box retailer? Esolo5002 (talk) 14:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think @Zzyzx11's solution is the best option put forward so far. I do think the primary page should be a dab page to the two new pages, I definitely don't think we need to wait a year to do these things as much has changed rapidly with these entities. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The changes with the official names of the legal entities are not yet relevant because the brand awareness is still tied to the old big-box stores, not the new online store. See WP:COMMONNAME. For example, the Czech Republic and Turkey have been trying to get everyone to call them Czechia and Turkiye for quite a while now, but WP is still keeping the article titles at the most common names for those countries in English. Per WP:COMMONNAME, we go with the most typical common usage in reliable sources, and for now, Bed Bath & Beyond in most reliable sources still refers to a now-defunct chain of big-box stores. It may eventually come to refer to the online store that took over the brand, but that hasn't happened yet. Under WP:NOT, WP merely follows, it never leads. --Coolcaesar (talk) 05:33, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support 1, oppose 2. I think a disambiguation page at Bed Bath & Beyond is the most appropriate choice here that will best help inform readers. (Note: I would also support year-based disambiguation if that helps achieve consensus. Either way, I believe there is no primary topic for "Bed Bath & Beyond".) -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose but with one suggestion - Many companies have been acquired or otherwise have had significant structural changes. We don't spin off new Wikipedia articles each time this happens.

In this case Bed Bath & Beyond, the retail store company, filed for bankruptcy and shut down their operations. Subsequently, their name and trademarks were purchased by Overstock.com. At present, Overstock is doing business as Bed Bath & Beyond with no mention of Overstock.com. The current advertising from BB&B looks exactly the same as what we saw during the retail store era.

As a result I'm thinking:

  • Leave the article title as Bed Bath & Beyond which is the primary topic and the WP:COMMONNAME. The article already well covers the retail store history and then Overstock.com acquiring the BB&B name and trademarks.
  • Rename the Bed Bath & Beyond (online retailer) article back to Overstock.com as this article's primary topic is Overstock.com's history and Overstock.com is their WP:COMMONNAME. The company Overstock.com still exists and is dba as Bed Bath & Beyond. Their privacy policy starts out with "Overstock.com, Inc. dba Bed Bath & Beyond."

People seeking information on BB&B or Overstock will see it in two clear articles that focus on those topics. This should also simplify updates to the article. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:08, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose* for now - I too believe it's too early for us to commit to this, BB&B 1.0 is historically the primary topic, and was for quite a while. We generally don't immediately cave in to name changes and I don't see any reason we should change that now.

*I also support Marc Kupper's argument above. BB&B is just a DBA for Overstock. Even though they've usurped the branding, they're still technically Overstock.com, and overall, this would be less confusing to our readers, in my opinion. That will likely change with time, but for now it's too early. ASUKITE 20:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Bed Bath & Beyond (1971–2023) for that entity. It is far too early to suggest that the company fka Overstock is the primary topic for this name, or even that "Bed Bath & Beyond" is the common name for that entity. The article says On October 24, 2023, it was announced that Overstock's corporate name, Overstock.com, Inc., would been rebranding as Beyond, Inc. effective November 6, 2023. Its stock listing will also be changed and renamed. I'm tempted to support moving that one back to "Overstock" for now. Walt Yoder (talk) 18:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all. The historic entity appears to remain the primary topic, at least for now. Can revisit in a year or so when the dust has settled.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:46, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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