Talk:Batalha Monastery

Bones

The article states that the bones of John II of Portugal were thrown away by French troops. Was the same done to the other royals? Also, what was the reason for this vandalism and why weren't the bones recovered and reburied after the French were defeated?

Abbey of Batalha

Mário wrote he "corrected" my move of the article, saying "it is not an Abbey, but a monastery. I don't know if there is a great difference between both terms, but the second is the most common." (22:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

By definition one cannot 'correct' what one don't know; but I do know the 'difference', and they overlap: every abbey is a monastery, but many monasteries aren't abbeys, the criterion is whether the head is styled abbot, which is a high clerical rank, a prelate, in some senses comparable to a bishop. So, monastery is not wrong, but abbey is, when applicable as in this case, the precise and better term; in fact it is a bit misleading not to use the precise term, because one rarely is so uncurtuous as to use the vague term is stead of the prestigeous one, so monastery is normally only used as a generic term (about abbeys and other moasteries), for variation within a same text (one it has established to be about an abbey) or in other cases for a non-abbey, a bit like a precise rank is better then just officer or field officer; formal texts would only use abbey for one, it is the 'correct' term, monastery just one of many tolerated alternatives. Fastifex 05:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's not the point. I'm Portuguese and I surely never heard of the Abbey of Batalha, or Abadia da Batalha. It is always known as Monastery of Batalha or Batalha Monastery. I've even seen this on a couple of English language books of mine like the "100 Wonders of the Modern World". Wikipedia policy states that the most commonly used name should be the title for the article. You have United States as the title for the more formal United States of America, for instance. As for the distinction as a way to show the fact that it is something more prestigious than a general monastery, you can state it in the first sentence if you want. Thanks. Joaopais 02:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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Batalha Monastery is a Dominican convent in the municipality of Batalha in Portugal. Originally and officially known as the Monastery of Saint Mary of the Victory, it was erected in commemoration of the 1385 Battle of Aljubarrota and would serve as the burial church of the 15th-century Aviz dynasty of Portuguese royalty. It is one of the best and original examples of Late Flamboyant Gothic architecture in Portugal, intermingled with the Manueline style. The monastery is a historic and cultural monument and was listed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1983.

Photograph credit: Joaquim Alves Gaspar

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