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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Pbsouthwood,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Pbsouthwood,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Pbsouthwood,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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Question from Mw6630! on Talk:Technical Service Bulletin (11:56, 29 March 2024)

Good morning, I'm marcus, I'm having issue with my 2016 587 peterbilt truck abs system...I've replace the abs sensor multiple times ,went to many shops, but issue persist..it's giving fault code 22 an flashing my service light, every now an then I could do an key switch clear code an I'm fine for the day, but once I crank up again the problems back.. --Mw6630! (talk) 11:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mw6630!, Sorry, this is Wikipedia, an encyclopedia, not a service manual, and I am not a truck technician, so cannot help you. I suggest you contact your local agent or the manufacturer. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 12:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from RJClark1447 (12:12, 29 March 2024)

I have created an article in my sandbox and now want to submit it for review. How do I do that? --RJClark1447 (talk) 12:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi RJClatk1447, the page User:RJClark1447/sandbox, to which I assume you refer, needs references to show that it is a notable topic, and references to allow verification of the content by the reviewer and any other reader before it should be submitted for review. In its present state it is nor ready for Wikipedia article space. I recommend that you read Help:Your first article, Wikipedia:Notability, and Wikipedia:Verifiability to get a better idea of how things are done here, and revise your draft accordingly. When you are confident that the draft complies with Wikipedia's requirements, you can add the template {{AfC submission}} to the draft, which will tag it as ready for review, and one of the new page reviewers will review it, possibly leave comments on required or recommended improvements, accept or reject the submission, and leave you a message. Hope this helps, Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 12:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2024).

Administrator changes

• Kbdank71
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Guideline and policy news

• An RfC is open to convert all current and future community discretionary sanctions to (community designated) contentious topics procedure.

Technical news

• The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. (T313405)

Arbitration

• An arbitration case has been opened to look into "the intersection of managing conflict of interest editing with the harassment (outing) policy".

Miscellaneous

• Editors are invited to sign up for The Core Contest, an initiative running from April 15 to May 31, which aims to improve vital and other core articles on Wikipedia.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

Hello Pbsouthwood,

New Page Review queue January to March 2024

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

Recruitment: A couple of the coordinators have been inviting editors to become reviewers, via mass-messages to their talk pages. If you know someone who you'd think would make a good reviewer, then a personal invitation to them would be great. Additionally, if there are Wikiprojects that you are active on, then you can add a post there asking participants to join NPP. Please be careful not to double invite folks that have already been invited.

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Question from Supersmashbros2 on User talk:Supersmashbros2 (13:25, 5 April 2024)

hello and good morning one of my music file does not work --Supersmashbros2 (talk) 13:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

What file is that? · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 17:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Supersmashbros2 on File:Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky.ogg (13:51, 5 April 2024)

hello this page does not work https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Norman_Greenbaum_-_Spirit_in_the_Sky.ogg&action=edit --Supersmashbros2 (talk) 13:51, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The file has been deleted, please take it up with the administrator who deleted it. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 17:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Meenu100101 (14:38, 5 April 2024)

Hello how can i see my mails --Meenu100101 (talk) 14:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

What mails are you referring to? · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 17:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from ILikeMath1267 (22:20, 9 April 2024)

Hi, Pbsouthwood! I would like to ask: How do you create those drop-down things like the "Lists of stuff" section on your user page? --ILikeMath1267 (talk) 22:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi ILikeMath1267, There is information at Help:Collapsing that should help you with collapsible tables of that type. There are also other ways of making content collapse. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 02:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Move request

Please move List of opera topics to Outline of opera (over the redirect, per WP:G6). Disclosure follows...

Back in 2006, I (User:Nexus Seven at the time) created this page as "List of basic opera topics", part of an entire set of predecessors to outlines named in the form "List of basic x topics".

The whole department of basic topics lists ran into a funny problem: the naming convention wasn't compatible with the nature of wikis. There was no way to confine the lists to basic topics, as we were up against the uncontrollable urge of wiki editors to edit. Continuously monitoring the lists and whittling them back down to basic was impossible. Wikipedians just kept adding more and more, and the lists started to become comprehensive. There were some other lists named "List of x topics", but the basic lists grew larger than most of those, because the basic lists had a WikiProject devoted to them, which attracted more editors.

"Basic" no longer applied. It was embarrassing.

So, a new name had to be found for these structured lists. Attempts to agree on one failed at the village pump. It wasn't as simple as removing the word "basic", because of the existence of alphabetical lists already having a large portion of the resultant titles. And so eventually, I just renamed the whole set to the form "Topical outline of x".

Hardly anybody noticed, but the name didn't go over well with the opera folks, who interpreted "topical" as "applied to one's skin". I explained the problem with the word "basic", and the editors of the page at that time settled on "List of opera topics".

Not long after that, I changed the entire "Topical outline of x" set, which numbered around 200 or so pages, to "Outline of x", leaving opera alone, and it stuck.

The primary objectors to the word "Topical" back then are no longer around, and...

The phrase "Outline of" has since become the standard naming convention for outlines, has been the standard for over a decade and a half, and is no longer controversial. It is now used on over 800 pages.

I doubt anyone will object to the move to "Outline of", because it is the current standard. But, if someone does, the page can easily be moved back.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   09:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

P.S.: Lists of x topics don't have their own wikiproject, because the structured ones fall under the scope of WikiProject Outlines, while the alphabetical ones fall under the scope of WikiProject Indexes. —TT.

Hi TT, I have looked at the archived talk page discussions, and I think there could well be objections to an undiscussed move. I agree that Outline of opera would be a good alternative, but the current title is not unreasonable. I also see that there were previous disputes about annotations and the necessity for referencing them, which could be avoided by using {{annotated link}} where the short descriptions are suitable, bit that would require quite a major reformatting of the article. Suitable annotations would be a definite improvement. I suggest a talk page proposal is the correct route in this case. I would support the rename in the absence of persuasive reasoning to the contrary. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 07:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Djong (ship) has an RfC

Djong (ship) has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discus sion page. Thank you.

Talk:Djong (ship) on a "History and geography" request for comment-- Merzostin (talk) 12:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from TableChairFloor (16:04, 13 April 2024)

Hello, I recently added an excerpt to an article about infrared dark clouds while using a source that is non free content. Later, I wanted to make sure that I wasn’t plagiarizing and that I was using the source fairly and correctly, but the info that I found on Wikipedia about non-free content was a little bit wishy-washy for me and I’m unsure if the amount of information that I got from the non-free content is fairly used or not. Is there some kind of word limit for unquoted info from non-free content or do I just have to use my good judgement? What if I’m unsure about an edit I made, is there any way I can mark it so that other editors are aware that there might be an issue? Thank you very much, TableChairFloor --TableChairFloor (talk) 16:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi TableChairFloor, without looking at the actual content and the source, I cannot be sure or give a definitive answer. We are required to rewrite information taken from non-free sources in our own words as far as reasonably practicable, while retaining the meaning of the original. Some sharing of terminology between the source and the Wikipedia content may be necessary, as there is a limit to the number of ways a thing can be said and still convey the same meaning, though there is often dispute on where the limits are. Some wikipedians are more concerned about the meaning being preserved and others are more fussy about avoiding the use of similar expressions, even when they are standard in the field and may insist on considerable inefficient circumlocution as a matter of principle. If an excerpt is directly quoted, it must be identified in line, before or after the quote, as a quote, and attributed to the source and author, and must be faithful to the source. Lengthy quotes are deprecated unless specifically useful to understanding the point. I hope this helps, Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 06:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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New page patrol May 2024 Backlog drive

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Question from Ricch Raphna (03:59, 19 April 2024)

Hello How do I create my own article as an artist --Ricch Raphna (talk) 03:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ricch Raphna, the short answer is, you don't do that. Neither as an encyclopedia page, nor as a user page. Please read Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:User pages for details on some of the relevant policies on English Wikipedia. If you are indeed eligible for an article, someone else will write it. The patrollers take these policies seriously, and will delete any contravention. Repeated contravention will usually get a person blocked indefinitely, so not worth taking a chance, as it might make it more difficult for a third party to create a legitimate article. You may request an article at Wikipedia:Requested articles Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 06:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)