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DYK for 2023 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election

On 21 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2023 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the January 2023 election of the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives was the longest speaker election since December 1859 – February 1860? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2023 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 2023 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Thank you!

Hello, Natg 19,

I just wanted to thank you for helping out at AFD and relisting older discussions that haven't been closed. Sometimes I feel like the only editor who relists discussions so it's great to see another editor helping out and bringing unresolved AFD discussions to people's attention. Your work is appreciated! Liz Read! Talk! 04:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Ishbia

Hi Natg 19, I saw that you'd recently edited the Justin Ishbia Wikipedia article, so I'm posting here to see if you'd be able to review an edit request to correct his birth year and add some relevant details. My full request is posted at Talk:Justin_Ishbia. The edits that I'm asking for are a hopefully pretty simple correction to his birth year in the article introduction, as well as two additions: 1) the soccer team he has invested in and 2) two major donations he's made that have received media coverage. I work for Shore Capital Partners and have a financial conflict of interest, which is why I'm making a request and not just editing myself. Would you be able to look at this? Thank you for your help. JMShore (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JMShore sorry, did not get to this. Seems like a different editor already made the changes. Natg 19 (talk) 20:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply. Another editor did help me with this, so I'm all set. Thanks! JMShore (talk) 16:38, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Dalton

Hello,

I've seen you helping out with the confirmation of sources. However, I see you changed the Andy Dalton page. I don't see an official source from the Carolina Panthers, may I ask where the source is? Thank you. Carhles (talk) 00:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Carhles: the source is [1]. There is a small note at the bottom of the article that mentions that they agreed to terms with Dalton and a few other players. Natg 19 (talk) 00:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sweet, thanks for helping out with the official sources. Good day! Carhles (talk) 00:48, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation link notification for March 24

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Fall 2023 fashion weeks

Hello! I hate to seem impolite but this article is very complex and I've been working on it for weeks and I am still doing a lot of sourcing and double-checking of blue links - could you please wait until each designer has a corresponding Hypebeast/Vogue/Womenswear Daily/Fashionista article before you remove the disambiguation links? The designers are at risk of being linked out to the wrong places before this is completed. Thank you Computer-ergonomics (talk) 21:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't see how this risk exists, but I will hold off on changing the links for now. Natg 19 (talk) 21:22, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I appreciate it! I know you're just trying to make the page better and it's nice to have a second set of eyes, but I only moved it out of draft space because I was doing a lot of work on an article and I want it to count towards my edits. Thanks Computer-ergonomics (talk) 21:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox

Hey. Hope you're well. I just modified an edit that you made to Cushitic-speaking peoples, in which you changed Orthodox Christianity to Eastern Orthodox Church. In the present case, that ought to be Oriental Orthodox Churches, which are not fully in communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches. I noticed that you've made several such disambiguations recently, & I wanted to alert you to the distinction between Eastern & Oriental Orthodox Christianity. Take care! Pathawi (talk) 10:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pathawi thanks for the note. Natg 19 (talk) 15:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tripolis ad Meandrum

Hello, I hope this message finds you well,

I've seen your recent edit regarding Theodosius of Bithynia. Since I see you are more experienced Wikipedia user than me, you might have a good solution to this problem: Suda's account doesn't specify which Tripolis he is talking about. It could be (and by different scholars has been) interpreted in different ways: it could be Tripolis ad Meandrum or Tripolis in Phoenicia, or even Tripolis in Africa (these are the Latin names). Giuseppe Auria (Q29850001) (s. XVII) even proposed that there might have been an otherwise unknown Tripolis in Bithynia.

In Suda the account of Theodosius the mathematician and of Theodosius of Tripolis (poet) are under different entries of the lexicon, that got mixed up in the renaissance tradition about Theodosius. If you find a concise way of expressing that the confusion is not in the Suda lexicon itself but has arisen in its later editions/interpretations, it would be fantastic.

If you need any sources or references for all which is written above, I can provide it. It seemd uncessesary to do so in this thread. SZC 03 (talk) 10:34, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SZC 03 Perhaps that sentence could just be removed then, as it is unclear which Tripolis, and it seems unnecessary to say that the account is wrong. Natg 19 (talk) 15:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response. Maybe it could be left as is, it is not too big of a deal. I feel thought that there is reason to specify that he was not from Tripoli since many older authoritative sources say so, and so anyone intending to read more about Theodosius has to search for "Theodosius of Tripoli" as well (and at the same time has to beware of this error).
If you see in the in the references of the Wikipedia article you will see that the entry in the Encyclopædia Britannica is listed under "Theodosius of Tripolis" (although the author when writing his history of mathematics ten years later will say the contrary), also in Heiberg's critical edition the mistake appears in the title and is corrected in the errata corrige.
Knowing this it is not weird that many less authoritative (or more tangential) sources still get it wrong.
Sorry for the long and involved messages, but I could not help myself. SZC 03 (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just removed the link to Tripolis and left the rest as is. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 18:56, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@SZC 03 I would recommend adding a footnote describing the current state of academic controversy/consensus about this, whatever that might be. –jacobolus (t) 21:23, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AMSR

There are other uses for this term. I feel that AMSR should direct to the disambiguation page and not directly to the Aqua satellite where it isn't the primary target.   ArcAngel   (talk) 02:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ArcAngel the disambiguation page is for "ASMR" not "AMSR" (note the slight difference). Natg 19 (talk) 03:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh well. My apologies. I am dyslexic sometimes.   ArcAngel   (talk) 04:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Merlin Sheldrake Article

Hello, I see where you closed the following discussion in 2020 re: redirecting Merlin Sheldrake to a page about his book. Given the continued popularity of his book and several subsequent mentions in prominent news sources, I prepared a draft to replace the redirect which I feel better reflects the requirements for an eponymous page than the original, deleted version. Before I move it to the article space, I wanted to confer with you. FlamingMoth (talk) 13:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, on first look, I don't see that his notability has changed, thus I disagree that this article belongs in mainspace.
But also pinging @Kj cheetham and David Eppstein:, the original nominator of the AfD, and a different respected editor who also !voted delete at the AfD, for a 2nd opinion. Natg 19 (talk) 07:32, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Does he have more than one book published, each having multiple published reviews? If not I still think this is a case of WP:BIO1E and that we don't have enough to justify separate articles on the book and its author. Also, "Given the continued popularity of his book" is a promotional reason for doing things and one that does not connect with any Wikipedia notability criterion. We base our content on published reliable sources and their in-depth coverage of our topics, not on popularity or promotional claims of popularity. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:38, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that it's already been declined at AFC: Draft:Merlin Sheldrake. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:18, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce brown

It was confirmed by Bruce browns absent that he has signed with pacers Smswallow08 (talk) 08:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Smswallow08 per Wikipedia precedent, we do not change information until signings are officially announced by the team involved. See WP:SPORTSTRANS. Natg 19 (talk) 08:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What if it’s on the NBA Website Smswallow08 (talk) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even on the NBA website, these signings are "unofficial" reports, as no signings can be completed until after the NBA July moratorium ends on July 6. Natg 19 (talk) 17:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you

I want to thank you for saving my time! You saved my time because I was about too add references and edit the infobox for Gabe Vincent and Jaxson Hayes, but you did almost everything for me and I want to thank you for that. ReaganHoang10 (talk) 20:38, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! Natg 19 (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I appreciate you fixing all the dab links. I should have thought through that a dab page would be needed for that page move but alas did not. Wil try not to do that again. Just acknowledging the work you do. Thanks again. Elinruby (talk) 00:35, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed deletion of Motherless Brooklyn (disambiguation)

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BLP prod of Yves Frémion

Hello Natg 19 -- BLP prod is only for articles with literally no sources, including external links. This had the authority control box with multiple links to reliable database sources including Bibliothèque nationale de France, and so wasn't eligible. Moreover finding sourcing was not difficult as two editors edit conflicted over providing it when it was listed at deletion sorting. In future, please always make an effort to find sources before placing the BLP prod tag, as prods aren't always patrolled, and it's a waste of resources to delete articles on clearly notable individuals. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 01:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Espresso Addict: thanks for the note. I was not aware that the "authority control" box counts as sources for BLP. Also, I should've done more searching before putting the prod tag on this article. Natg 19 (talk) 16:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Any external link counts, though it's wise to check that the authority control box links do actually contain some information, as sometimes they don't. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 01:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Latin Rite

Hi! Unfortunately, quite a few of your attempts to remove disambiguation links to Latin Rite has resulted in incorrect linkages to Latin liturgical rites rather than the correct Latin Church. I don't use tools, so I've had to move through the list by hand—but I promise I'll get it done this month! ~ 21:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC) Pbritti (talk) 21:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I'm sorry. I have been using the DisamAssist tool, so I hope I didn't make more errors in my changes. Natg 19 (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely no problem! If anything, it's lighting a fire under me to make the fixes related to this term sooner rather than later. You haven't made anything worse (indeed you improved quite a bit!) and it was my fault not acting sooner. Thank you for your great editing and immediate response! :) ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tracy Ip

I see that you recently worked on this article.

The thing is, the woman is obviously notable, but most of her refs are in Chinese. I can't google-translate them cos all the Chinese (.zh) sites won't open for me. As an unreferenced WP:BLP it should be deleted and will be soon. There's more on the article talk page if you want to save the article. I'm not up to it myself. Herostratus (talk) 05:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. Though I originally redirected, I later decided that the person was notable and reverted my change. I added an "expand Chinese" template to it. Natg 19 (talk) 18:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Herostratus (talk) 23:17, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your article Joseph Vogel

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@BlueberryIntoTheWild: thanks for the note, but this foreign language article was created by an IP user. I have reverted back to its stable version of a disambiguation page. Natg 19 (talk) 01:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Natg 19: Okay, great - thanks for letting me know. Twinkle must have mistakenly assumed you were the page creator, so sorry for any confusion! BlueberryIntoTheWild (talk) 01:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Isabella II move

Hello. In your closure statement of the RM for Isabella II you stated that there was "No consensus" for the page move, however you did not state why. Could you elaborate on how you got to that conclusion? UmbrellaTheLeef (talk) 00:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I weighed the arguments and do not find the "support" arguments much more convincing than the "oppose" arguments. We do not use a vote count, but the votes were also evenly split between the two sides. I do not see a way that this could be moved with the current comments as they are. Natg 19 (talk) 01:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correct that the votes were even, however 3 of the opposers gave arguments based on a falsified NGRAM, [2] which compared "Isabella II of Spain" to "Isabel II of Spain" which is dishonest, because I wasn't proposing a move from "Isabella II of Spain" to "Isabel II of Spain" and "Isabel II" solely refers to the Spanish queen in English-language reliable sources. UmbrellaTheLeef (talk) 12:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The proper ngram, which compares the current title to the proposed title [3] shows that "Isabel" II is by far the more common name. UmbrellaTheLeef (talk) 13:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@UmbrellaTheLeef: Okay, I'll re-open this RM and let an admin close this. Natg 19 (talk) 20:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IFT-3 RFC

Not sure where to discuss this, so if you want this moved, feel free to do so.

I believe that the Autoconfirmed user, who has made 94 edits as of typing this user, is sufficiently experienced to close an RFC. Redacted II (talk) 17:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fully disagree, but I do not want to continue reverting, as that falls into edit warring and the 3RR rule. An editor with < 100 edits is not experienced enough to understand Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or judging how Wikipedia does WP:CONSENSUS and should not be closing RfCs or other discussions. Generally, administrators should be closing RFCs, or editors who have been around more than a few weeks. Natg 19 (talk) 17:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see no mention of the <100 rule at WP:Consensus. If that rule exists, please show where it is. Redacted II (talk) 17:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Though there is no "official rule" against a new user closing a discussion, the closer does not seem experienced and did not have a good closure rationale for this closure. Natg 19 (talk) 18:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Autoconfirmed also does not mean experience, as any user who has been around for more than 4 days and made 10 edits gets the autoconfirmed privilege. Natg 19 (talk) 17:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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