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I agree. It's exactly the same as Premature ovarian failure, just that's the newer name. Now do it :) 182.255.99.214 (talk) 02:05, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merged done. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:46, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please make POI the primary name for this article 75ki5j (talk) 12:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Mainly genetics: doi:10.1210/er.2016-1047 JFW | T@lk 09:28, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ovaries shrink

Hi,I am 26 years old n have overlies shrink .my FSH level is 52 n LH level is also high.what should I do now,doctors gave me an answer. Affiahmed3 (talk) 00:26, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I’m 26too, I see that your post is a few years old so I hope you’ve gotten answers. If not (it took me 6 years to get a diagnosis), keep trying. Look for a specialist in your area. A reproductive endocrinologist. An OBGYN won’t cut it. This is a rare condition and it’s common for women our age to be dismissed by clueless doctors. Please take care of yourself. Not having a period for years is not normal!!! Best of luck. 75ki5j (talk) 12:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be titled, "Primary ovarian insufficiency"

This article really should be known as primary ovarian insufficiency, since that's the current terminology for the condition. Medline Plus [1] forwards "Premature ovarian failure" to "Primary ovarian insufficiency." Even though POI redirects here, we really should use current terminology. Or am I wrong? I can't find a Wiki rule or suggestion about it, but there must be. SkepticalRaptor (talk) 18:36, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://medlineplus.gov/primaryovarianinsufficiency.html

This is correct 75ki5j (talk) 12:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You could try to initiate the process of renaming this article by requesting a move, and you could read more on how to do that on Wikipedia:RM. Lymoz (talk) 15:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SkepticalRaptor and Lymoz, SandyGeorgia has an associated thread at POI acronym at Diff. SandyGeorgia did an analysis of PubMed reviews and then I compared SandyGeorgia's reviewers to recent researchers. Over the last five years, reviewers more commonly use premature ovarian insufficiency while researchers used primary ovarian insufficiency. Premature ovarian failure was # 2 for reviewers and # 3 for researchers. HOWEVER, the differences are not impressive. The analysis is at POI acronym above.
SandyGeorgia found the 2016 renaming redirect from primary ovarian insufficiency to premature ovarian failure that occurred at Diff. The 2016 rationale is at Talk:Primary_ovarian_insufficiency.
The redirect from premature ovarian insufficiency was in 2014. Memdmarti (talk) 00:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that we have four editors in agreement and no disagreement that the more correct article title is primary ovarian insufficiency, so this is not a controversial move, but we may have to go through WP:RM for technical reasons (more over existing redirect). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have completed the move. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:59, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Barkeep49! May I move the lead at User_talk:Memdmarti/sandbox#Test_section to Primary_ovarian_insufficiency when I find the citation needed? Memdmarti (talk) 16:46, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: citation found. It is ready. Memdmarti (talk) 16:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Memdmarti, that sounds like a content decision for you and other involved editors of this page. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:16, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Barkeep49 and SandyGeorgia! I will move and ping them. Memdmarti (talk) 17:19, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SkepticalRaptor and Lymoz See changes at Primary ovarian insufficiency Memdmarti (talk) 17:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Chasing my tail a bit here, Memdmarti! Now that Barkeep has corrected the article name, it is OK for you to proceed with WP:BOLD editing and correct this article as needed. Also, rather than ping editors to a sandbox talk page, if you prefer to propose text here before adding it, it is better to a) find the citations, and b) post your proposed addition on this talk page. You and I were working in sandbox before only because you were constructing an entirely new article, but when an article already exists, it's a lot of running around for people to be pinged to and fro :) If you have corrected text, just either put it in here, or propose it here on talk-- you can begin to move away from sandbox editing now and use talk pages in a more traditional way. Also note that it is better in the lead here to cite the synonyms in the infobox where they occur, and remove them from the lead, to lower the clutter in the first para. You also theoretically don't need to ping editors to this page who have edited this page. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:39, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, SandyGeorgia! I removed the citations from the lead sentence "Primary ovarian insufficiency (POI) (also called premature ovarian insufficiency, premature menopause, and premature ovarian failure) is the partial or total loss of function of the ovaries before age 40," but kept "also called premature ovarian insufficiency, premature menopause, and premature ovarian failure" for those who may read the first sentence and not the Infobox. OK?
Lots to do. I am checking POF to be sure a change to POI is linear and watching the differential which is slightly different than POF with respect to gonadal dysgenesis and maybe more. Memdmarti (talk) 19:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Glad to see you getting after it! Memdmarti, I am so swamped in so many places, I'd like to unwatch this suite of article now, knowing they are in your competent hands. If you need anything on these articles related to hypoestrogenism, please post to my talk ? Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:42, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, SandyGeorgia! Will do and will notify you at hypoestrogenism when I think it is ready for you. Memdmarti (talk) 21:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revision

Continued from Talk:Primary_ovarian_insufficiency#This_article_should_be_titled,_"Primary_ovarian_insufficiency""

memdmarti began revising Primary ovarian insufficiency 6 September 2020. This may take 1 to 2 weeks. If you note incorrect changes, please let them know.

Potential citations are moved to to User talk:Memdmarti/sandbox at Diff

Memdmarti (talk) 18:09, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes

I want to put the material below in the first paragraph of Primary_ovarian_insufficiency#Emotional_health or in the external links.

  1. Does it breach copyright rules?
  2. Are there other concerns?
  3. It looks like an ad for her book because I think it is an excellent resource for patients and physicians. It that OK? I have no financial or personal relationship with her; I have listened to her at meetings.
  4. Citation<ref name=santoro2016book>{{vcite book | author=Santoro NF, Cooper AR | title=Primary Ovarian Insufficiency A Clinical Guide to Early Menopause | publisher=Springer | date= 2016| isbn=978-3-319-22490-9 | pages=i-207| | url =https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783319224909}}</ref>

Santoro & Cooper's Primary Ovarian Insufficiency: A Clinical Guide to Early Menopause begins each of twelve scientific chapters with a clinical vignette to point out the emotional impact of a diagnosis of POI. Those include: "I almost fell out of my chair!" "I could not stop crying…" "I felt like an old woman." "Great! More bad news!" "...just see what happened, and hope." "You push yourself through the fog that is in your head." "I was shocked. Considering I was only 28 years old..." "She is overwhelmed and distraught." "Despite this devastation..." "....some women have more pronounced mood responses to hormonal changes than others." "...could a scientist create more from a skin biopsy?... Surely, this kind of technology should exist somewhere." and "...night sweats, severe sleep disturbance, dry eyes, and memory loss." The first two pages of each chapter are available at https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783319224909.

Memdmarti (talk) 21:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Memdmarti (talk) 02:42, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Memdmarti! Just to let you know, a help me template is unnecessary here. You've posted your question to the talk page appropriately and other editors who are interested in this article will respond if they desire. If they do not, please see WP:BRD for more information. Thank you! Waggie (talk) 06:44, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Waggie! WP:BRD it will be if no one responds shortly (now 18+ hours). "Revert if inappropriate" to identify a Very Interested Persons (VIP) looks like a variant on Wiktionary:it's better to ask forgiveness than permission from wikiquote:Grace_Hopper and CHIPS "Hopper’s legendary standing has much to do with her persistence and absolute belief in the limitless power of computing technology and her impatience with bureaucracy. She is remembered for her now famous quip, "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission."" from "Rear Adm. Grace Hopper Continues to Inspire Innovation."<ref>{{vcite journal |author=Sharon Anderson | title=Rear Adm. Grace Hopper Continues to Inspire Innovation | journal=CHIPS | date= January-March 2017| volume= | issue= | pages= | url=https://www.doncio.navy.mil/(k3pdil3u5j2c0ui1hw1s3e55)/CHIPS/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=8789}}</ref> Memdmarti (talk) 15:33, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

== Memdmarti (talk) 03:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Review changes

I am finished with my revisions and will have SandyGeorgia look at them.

If anyone else wants to revise this, please do so.

Notes

  • The “Genetic associations“ float has omim.org/ database links that work, and “Online Mendelian Inheritance in Man” is an interesting site that I had not seen before. The database was begun 1960s by Dr. Victor A. McKusick who some see as the father of genetics. I do not know if databases are primary or secondary. They look to me to be both.
  • There are still some primary references that I left alone as I did not find secondaries and the information looks good.

== Memdmarti (talk) 17:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are still considerable problems with underlinking of terms, as but one example (there are many) see ...

  • A 2020 review covered variations including phosphatidylinositol-3 kinase activators to enhance the AKT pathway, fragmentation of ovarian cortex, combining those two into in-vitro activation (IVA), and drug-free IVA. Two laparoscopies are needed in conventional IVA and one with drug-free IVA.

At the same time, we should avoid WP:OVERLINKing and remember to link terms on the first occurrence. Another issue is that information is not organized logically. See suggestions at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related_articles#Diseases or disorders or syndromes.

Some of the primary sources are concerning, and I removed one. If a 2010 study has not been mentioned in a secondary review by now, it is WP:UNDUE, for example. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, SandyGeorgia! I will work on this. Dan -- Memdmarti (talk) 23:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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