Talk:Down syndrome

usage error in the infobox

it reads "life long". it should read "lifelong".

Hearing loss in Down syndrome

•Conductive Hearing loss occurs in 38-78% of DS population •Otitis media with effusion is most common cause of HL •Sensorineural Hearing loss and Mixed Hearing Loss occur in 4-20% of DS population •Treating Sensorineural Hearing loss component is necessary •Hearing loss is more severe depending on comorbid conditions such as epilepsy and seizures. •Children with DS have speech and language learning difficulty, with the help of proper amplification devices and otological intervention children can hear and do more insitu learning •Epilepsy and seizure disorders effect the auditory processing in temporal lobe, and increase the severity of HL •Regular wax removal due to narrow ear canals •Tubes before 2y/o

Kreicher, K. L., Weir, F. W., Nguyen, S. A., & Meyer, T. A. (2018). Characteristics and progression of hearing loss in children with Down syndrome. The Journal of pediatrics, 193, 27-33. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jpeds.2017.09.053

•For those with Severe Sensorineural hearing loss, CI is an option. Cognitive impairment is not a contraindication to implant children with DS but should be considered as a major factor. •SLP and aural rehab to help with speech and language learning Heldahl, M. G., Eksveen, B., & Bunne, M. (2019). Cochlear implants in eight children with Down Syndrome–Auditory performance and challenges in assessment. International journal of pediatric otorhinolaryngology, 126, 109636. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijporl.2019.109636 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caitheaton (talk • contribs) 20:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Better to go with secondary sources rather than primary sources User:Caitheaton. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

IQ

I'm confused. Where did people hear that individuals with down syndrome have a low IQ? I've witnessed students in my school with this disorder who actually scored very high on IQ tests. They don't even talk like how you'd expect someone with a low IQ to. I don't think it's an intelligence disorder. As for equating it to that of an 8 to 9 year old, is that to say that children of those ages can never be smart? I normally only hear of people, normally those who hate any individual that isn't an adult state that all children are unintelligent even when the contrary is proven and child geniuses are revealed to which they'll deny.

Your question is mainly answered with sources in the Neurological section. It sounds as though you're basing your statements on personal experience and opinion which cannot be used in Wikipedia as they fall under original research. There is a wealth of scientific data to corroborate this IQ viewpoint. Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely agree that this fact is incorrect and definitely outdated. The issue is more than just the statistic provided, but the misinformation it provides overall. It gives the impression that an adult with Ds will be like an 8-9 year old. Maybe some adults with Ds have the mental IQ of that age, but they usually have other intelligence and other features that are significantly more mature. This statistic being listed in the entry paragraph of this topic misguides the reader on multiple levels. NadineLive (talk) 22:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Stigmatising language re: 'mental ability' and weight

I made some edits this morning to some language in the article that appeared to contribute to stigma against people with Down Syndrome. First, I noticed that the article claimed that adults with Down Syndrome had the mental ability of 8- or 9-year-old children. I linked to articles by people with disabilities arguing against the use of ‘mental age’ to describe their disabilities. This implies that adults with Down Syndrome are ‘really’ children. I don’t know if any third-party sources exist that discuss this kind of stigma, but I don’t think it’s fair to categorically discredit the words of people who have been targeted by systemic discrimination.

Moreover, ‘obesity’ and ‘obese’ are increasingly considered derogatory and stigmatising terms that place individual blame on larger-bodied people instead of larger social factors. You may as well say that people with Down Syndrome are ‘retarded’. The weight classifications are based on the Body Mass Index, so I changed the language to reflect that. Re: language about higher-weight patients: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3310899/ In addition, focusing on weight as problematic in and of itself may actually contribute to the risk of mortality among larger people: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797615601103. Yes, the current language may be used in medicine, but medicine is not free from bias. ‘Hysteria’ and ‘drapetomania’ used to be considered medical conditions. I think that avoiding stigma is a value that should be upheld.

This isn’t merely a matter of ‘political correctness’; it’s about respecting the experiences and views of the people being described in the article. I don’t think that’s a particularly tall order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Insolectual (talk • contribs) 17:07, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

For that matter, our standards have it that the lead should summarize the body. The "mental age" business is only mentioned fleetingly in the main text, and IQ is given hardly more attention than that. If we hold to our own standards for encyclopedic writing, that sentence shouldn't be there. Nor is it particularly helpful to the reader: what, in practical terms, does an IQ of 50 mean (and which 8- or 9-year-old child are we talking about exactly)? This is not a good way to summarize the "Neurological" section, taking the least informative bits of it and making them the article's primary message.

The cited source (in Norwegian, which makes verification needlessly difficult) itself points to Rachidi and Lopes (2010), which mentions IQ but has nothing about "mental age", and which describes what "cognitive developmental delays" mean before getting to IQ at all. Emphasizing ideas that the sources do not violates WP:UNDUE. Moreover, as Oxford's Concise Medical Dictionary puts it, mental age is an obsolescent concept, having largely been replaced by a comparison of the functioning of persons of the same age group [3]. At best, it's a redundant number — a function of the IQ being tacitly presented as something else. XOR'easter (talk) 21:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking for academic or medical references that actually use "8- or 9-year-old child" in this context, I found only a small number of examples, which turned out to be predatory journals or otherwise unreliable, e.g., following the phrasing of this Wikipedia article so closely it's obvious they copied from it. The statement of cognitive disabilities in terms of effective ages fails WP:MEDRS and WP:UNDUE, plain and simple. XOR'easter (talk) 16:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Change image in infobox

Hello,

The image featuring the facial features in innacurate. Would it be possible, please, to put a real photo of a real child with Down syndrome ? Like one of these : https://www.istockphoto.com/fr/photos/trisomie-21?istockcollection=main,value&mediatype=photography&phrase=trisomie%2021&sort=mostpopular Would be really more modern, real, and accurate ;-) Thank you ! Claire CLAIRE COLLOT (talk) 18:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I do agree that the CDC drawing is a little bit vague and does not demonstrate the facial features well enough. We recently switched to the drawing (see #Changing image in infobox above, from February). The only images we could use are in commons:Category:People with Down syndrome and commons:Category:Down syndrome. I'm not quite sure what image should be chosen. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The CDC has updated their photo on their page. This site should too. I could find 100 in the next hour who would all happily send me a photo immediately of their child to post instead of this scary drawing. It’s a huge discussion in the Ds community that these pictures are awful and need to be updated. NadineLive (talk) 22:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Claire’s link above has GREAT options. NadineLive (talk) 22:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

This image would be great. He’s a famous actor for his Down syndrome so people will recognize and identify. I got it from

the list mentioned above that is what is available to use: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Actors_with_Down_syndrome#/media/File%3AChris_Burke.jpg NadineLive (talk) 23:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Here’s another option:

Down syndrome child

NadineLive (talk) 23:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Change outdated, offensive term

Please change the term "normal" to "typical." (The parents of the affected individual are usually genetically normal.) Thanks.Webberkenny (talk) 18:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2021

103.127.56.236 (talk) 14:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)sdqqqqqqq

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EN-Jungwon 16:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

One of the main references in this article links to a broken page

The ref is "Malt2013". Could someone with more wiki markup knowledge link to an archived copy of the page? I found the latest working version here: https://web.archive.org/web/20210308020906/https://tidsskriftet.no/2013/02/oversiktsartikkel/helse-og-sykdom-hos-voksne-med-downs-syndrom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil of rel (talk • contribs) 06:05, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2021

Please remove

A boy with Down syndrome using cordless drill to assemble a book case

and add

A boy with Down syndrome using a cordless drill to assemble a book case

An article is necessary before "cordless", and while it can be omitted if we're creating a certain tone (e.g. "Boy with Down syndrome using cordless drill to assemble book case"), it's necessary when articles are present elsewhere in the sentence. 64.203.186.113 (talk) 17:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done Tol | Talk | Contribs (formerly Twassman) 17:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Reorganized and added surgical interventions to management page - hoping to gain access

Health Screening

A number of health organizations have issued recommendations for screening those with Down syndrome for particular diseases. This is recommended to be done systematically.

At birth, all children should get an electrocardiogram and ultrasound of the heart. Surgical repair of heart problems may be required as early as three months of age. Heart valve problems may occur in young adults, and further ultrasound evaluation may be needed in adolescents and in early adulthood. Due to the elevated risk of testicular cancer, some recommend checking the person's testicles yearly.

Cognitive Development

Hearing aids or other amplification devices can be useful for language learning in those with hearing loss. Speech therapy may be useful and is recommended to be started around nine months of age. As those with Down syndrome typically have good hand-eye coordination, learning sign language may be possible. Augmentative and alternative communication methods, such as pointing, body language, objects, or pictures, are often used to help with communication. Behavioral issues and mental illness are typically managed with counseling or medications.

Education programs before reaching school age may be useful. School-age children with Down syndrome may benefit from inclusive education (whereby students of differing abilities are placed in classes with their peers of the same age), provided some adjustments are made to the curriculum. Evidence to support this, however, is not very strong. In the United States, the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act of 1975 requires public schools generally to allow attendance by students with Down syndrome.

Individuals with Down syndrome may learn better visually. Drawing may help with language, speech, and reading skills. Children with Down syndrome still often have difficulty with sentence structure and grammar, as well as developing the ability to speak clearly. Several types of early intervention can help with cognitive development. Efforts to develop motor skills include physical therapy, speech and language therapy, and occupational therapy. Physical therapy focuses specifically on motor development and teaching children to interact with their environment. Speech and language therapy can help prepare for later language. Lastly, occupational therapy can help with skills needed for later independence.

Surgical Interventions

Tympanostomy tubes are often needed and often more than one set during the person's childhood. Tonsillectomy is also often done to help with sleep apnea and throat infections. Surgery, however, does not always address the sleep apnea and a continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machine may be useful. Physical therapy and participation in physical education may improve motor skills. Evidence to support this in adults, however, is not very good.

Plastic surgery has been suggested as a method of improving the appearance and thus the acceptance of people with Down syndrome. It has also been proposed as a way to improve speech. Evidence, however, does not support a meaningful difference in either of these outcomes. Plastic surgery on children with Down syndrome is uncommon, and continues to be controversial. The U.S. National Down Syndrome Society views the goal as one of mutual respect and acceptance, not appearance.

Musculoskeletal problems are seen in approximately 20% of individuals with Down syndrome. These problems often arise from ligament laxity and hypotonia.[1] An article in the Journal of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons explains diagnoses resulting from musculoskeletal problems can be painful if left untreated. Hip instability affects between 2% and 5% of individuals with Down syndrome and can be caused by an atypical acetabulum morphology, ligament laxity, hypermobility or a combination of the three. Patients with hip instability are prone to dislocations. Additionally, rates of arthritis are increasing as the lifespan of individuals with Down syndrome extend; 28% of adults with Down syndrome have hip abnormalities. In young children, a closed reduction and immobilization is often attempted prior to surgical intervention. If this is unsuccessful, surgical intervention is often necessary. The type of surgery depends on the etiology of the hip abnormality. Patients with an atypical acetabulum may require an acetabular osteotomy, whereas patients with a typical acetabulum may require a femoral varus derotation osteotomy. Complications relating to surgical intervention of hip instability are not uncommon. Knee instability, specifically patellofemoral instability is prevalent in 10% to 20% of patients with Down syndrome. Most people with this disorder experience very little pain, however, they may be more susceptible to arthritis in the future. Nonsurgical treatment often includes physical therapy and orthotics. If nonsurgical treatment is unsuccessful, surgical intervention focusing on the patellar tendon and soft tissues may be necessary.[2] In a 2006 study, Ali et al. explains cervical spine instability is also prevalent in patients with Down syndrome. Alantoaxial instability (AAI) is estimated to affect 10%-20% of people with Down syndrome. The main cause of AAI is laxity of the transverse atlantal ligament and is characterized by increased mobility of the C2 vertebra compared to the C1 vertebra. Of those diagnosed with AAI, about 1%-2% are symptomatic. Symptoms include neck discomfort, abnormal gait, alterations in sphincteric control, upper motor neuron lesions, paralysis and in severe cases, death. Surgical intervention is often encouraged in symptomatic patients and often includes spinal fusion. Recommendations for asymptomatic patients include frequent follow up and avoidance of activities that could lead to neck injury.[3]

Gastrointestinal abnormalities are also common among those with Down syndrome. In an editorial published by the Research Institute for Gastroenterology and Liver Diseases, Holmes explains these abnormalities further. Between 6%-7.3% of children with Down syndrome are thought to have gastrointestinal malformations. Symptoms of these malformations include vomiting, diarrhea, constipation or abdominal discomfort. While many of these symptoms are likely to resolve over time, they may result in structural or functional disorders. Structural problems extending from the mouth to anus are thought to occur in similar frequencies to the general public; however, other some particular conditions may be more common. These conditions include: esophageal, duodenal or small intestine atresia or stenosis, annular pancreas which can lead to obstruction of the small intestine, imperforate anus and Hirschsprung disease. If an obstruction occurs prior to birth, a postnatal intervention will likely occur; other bowel obstructions require surgical interventions immediately. An imperforate anus is also likely to require surgical intervention. Other gastrointestinal disorders common in people with Down Syndrome, such as obesity and celiac disease, often do not require surgical intervention and can be managed with alterations in diet.[4]

In a study conducted by Abbag, he explains that congenital heart disease (CHD) can affect up to 61.3% of individuals with Down syndrome. The etiology of CHD is multifactorial; however the most common cause is a atrioventricular septal defect. Abnormalities in the left or right shunt can lead to pulmonary congestion which can causes respiratory distress and increased pneumonia susceptibility. It is recommended that all infants with Down syndrome are referred to a surgeon for screening and surgical intervention if needed.[5]

Non-surgical Interventions

Efforts to prevent respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) infection with human monoclonal antibodies should be considered, especially in those with heart problems. In those who develop dementia there is no evidence for memantine, donepezil, rivastigmine, or galantamine.

Many alternative medical techniques are used in Down syndrome; however, they are poorly supported by evidence. These include: dietary changes, massage, animal therapy, chiropractic and naturopathy, among others. Some proposed treatments may also be harmful.

[1]"Down Syndrome: Musculoskeletal Effects - OrthoInfo - AAOS". www.orthoinfo.org. Retrieved 2021-03-25.
[2]"Down Syndrome in Children: The Role of the Orthopaedic... : JAAOS - Journal of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons". LWW. Retrieved 2021-03-25.
[3]Ali, Fawzi Elhami; Al-Bustan, Mahmoud A.; Al-Busairi, Waleed A.; Al-Mulla, Fatema A.; Esbaita, Emad Y. (2006-8). "Cervical spine abnormalities associated with Down syndrome". International Orthopaedics. 30 (4): 284–289. doi:10.1007/s00264-005-0070-y. ISSN 0341-2695. PMC 2532127. PMID 16525818. Check date values in: |date= (help)
[4]Holmes, Geoffrey (2014). "Gastrointestinal disorders in Down syndrome". Gastroenterology and Hepatology From Bed to Bench. 7 (1): 6–8. ISSN 2008-2258. PMC 4017552. PMID 25436092.
[5]Abbag, Fuad I. (2006). "Congenital heart diseases and other major anomalies in patients with Down syndrome". Saudi Medical Journal. 27: 219–222.

Earllet9413 (talk) 15:27, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2021

Please remove the sentence that states inclusive education for people with Down syndrome is not effective and the reference 99, and replace it with “inclusive education, with proper supports, has been shown to be effective for many people with Down Syndrome” and this source https://www.nads.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/A_Summary_of_the_evidence_on_inclusive_education.pdf 2600:8805:4D07:B900:E43F:5E60:E93C:C8A0 (talk) 14:36, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It appears that source is significantly less reliable than what is currently in the article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:13, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Remove something from infobox

I really don't think we need to have deaths in the infobox-it's not a disease. I tried doing it but it messed up the whole infobox. DiaamondMiner999 (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done. I checked the reference. DS was not a cause of death, having the number in the info box gave the impression of a connection. The citation showed a decrease in the number of deaths between 2005 and 2015, which is a point of interest which could be incorporated into the prognosis paragraph. Here is the link https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5388903/ Vahvistus (talk) 23:11, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2021

“Sheltered work” is no longer a contemporary term used in reference to people with disability. In the sidebar, change:

Treatment Educational support, sheltered work environment[6][7]

To:

Treatment Educational support, supported work environment[6][7] 120.22.57.192 (talk) 22:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:23, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Almost everything about this page is offensive and biased towards a deficit medical model of disability.

As a highly experienced editor, I want to delete that absurd caricature of a supposedly typical baby with Down Syndrome: it is deeply wrong from almost any perspective. Apart from anything else, why not use a real person with DS, and why use a baby, when most people with DS are adults? Where can I start. Please? Excalibur (talk) 23:40, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

This is the correct place to start. You can also start a Request for Discussion or bring it up date WP:Village pump. You may have valid complaints, but please use the editorial processes to make changes. I erroneously referenced guidelines in the page edit and should have mentioned WP:PAGEBLANKING. You may want to check the WP:COMMONS for pictures that you think should be added to the page. —Ost (talk) 03:19, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Please help edit to change this page from the deficit language to be more accurate and appropriate. NadineLive (talk) 01:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2022

Change “ If Down syndrome occurs in one in 500 pregnancies and the test used has a 5% false-positive rate, this means, of 26 women who test positive on screening, only one will have Down syndrome confirmed.[83] If the screening test has a 2% false-positive rate, this means one of eleven who test positive on screening have a fetus with Down syndrome.[83]” to “ If Down syndrome occurs in one in 500 pregnancies and the test used has a 5% false-positive rate, this means of 20 women who test positive on screening, 19 will have Down syndrome confirmed.[83] If the screening test has a 2% false-positive rate, this means 49 of 50 who test positive on screening have a fetus with Down syndrome.[83]”

The math for false positives is the rate positives end up being untrue. The original math interpreted it the opposite way. 204.111.137.25 (talk) 05:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The article remains correct. Suppose you have a sample of 50,000 people. ${\frac {1}{500}}\times 50000=100$ people are positive. Of these, $90\%\times 100=90$ people will be detected by the test as true positives. Of the 49,900 people that are negative, $5\%\times 49900=2495$ are false positives. ${\frac {90}{2585}}\approx 3.48\%$, ${\frac {1}{26}}\approx 3.85\%$. Same goes for the second statement. (Edit: I did notice however that the 90% detection rate which was mentioned in the paper was not mentioned in the article, so I added that to the article). ZaidhaanH (talk) 22:31, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2022

Signs and symptoms - neurological.

Please remove: After reaching 30 years of age, some may lose their ability to speak.[8]

The source states: Alzheimer's disease. Studies have shown that almost all people with Down syndrome have developed neuropathological changes with amyloid plaques and neurofibrillary tangles at the age of 35-40 years (5) . The changes are most pronounced in the frontal lobes and medially in the temporal lobes. It can probably explain changes in orientation, language, speech and social interaction that are frequently seen in people with Down syndrome over 30 years. The first signs of incipient dementia in Down syndrome are often altered behavior, in contrast to the normal population, where reduced short-term memory is the most common onset symptom (44)

Therefore the statement in the article completely misrepresents the information. 2A02:C7F:5D1B:2700:596:89F6:F913:288 (talk) 07:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2022-03-03

Current section 1.2 Signs and symptoms, Neurological:
Those with mosaic Down syndrome typically have IQ scores 10–30 points higher.
Requested change:
Those with mosaic Down syndrome typically have IQ scores 10–30 points higher than that.
Advantage: When using a relative adjective like „higher“ one should state its reference point. Without this change, the reader might be let to believe that mosaic Down syndrome comes with an IQ 10-30 points higher than general population, instead of higher than regular Down syndrome.
Disadvantage: None; readability is not impaired by this clarification at all.
--85.212.106.248 (talk) 00:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done 晚安 (トークページ) 08:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

This isn't any better - I came her to point out the fault in the sentence. What the heck does 'that' refer to? There are three ranges in the preceeding sentence: to what does 'that' refer? And given that they are ranges, do some with mosaic Down syndrome really have an IQ of 99 (top end of high range)? To be clear and consistant in the sentence, the actual range of IQ in mosaic Down syndrome should be given - there's no need to refer back to a different range when you can just say explicitly what the new range is.

MarkinBoston (talk) 14:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

UK’s Down Syndrome Act 2022

Perhaps the page should mention the UK’s Down Syndrome Act 2022, (BBC, Mon 02 May 2022: 'The Down Syndrome Act means so much to me'), and similar legislation in other jurisdictions. JDAWiseman (talk) 10:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Probability of having a child with DS (Maternal Age)

Probability of having a child with Down syndrome by National Down Syndrome Society (NDSS)

Maternal Age	Incidence of DS
20	0.05% (1 in 2000)
25	0.08% (1 in 1200)
26	0.09% (1 in 1100)
27	0.10% (1 in 1050)
28	0.10% (1 in 1000)
29	0.11% (1 in 950)
30	0.11% (1 in 900)
35	0.29% (1 in 350)
40	1.0% (1 in 100)
44	2.5% (1 in 40)
45	3.3% (1 in 30)
50	12.5% (1 in 8)

Source/Reference: https://www.ndss.org/about-down-syndrome/down-syndrome/

Please, change in 'Epidemiology'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.95.191.17 (talk) 07:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2022

Under "Life Expectancy", the source 124 for "A study in 2015 found that the life expectancy of people with Down syndrome varied greatly, depending on their race." is suspect. He also cites a study (on people with Down syndrome in the United States from 1983-1997) that reported median age of death among all deaths of people with Down syndrome in a given year as if they had found the disparities among the actual life expectancy. I could not find the supposed 2015 study, and given the other glaring error in the source I would not necessarily trust it without knowledge of whatever study he refers to. There certainly are discreptancies between races (in the US), one could for example cite:

Early death and causes of death of people with Down syndrome: A systematic review https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jar.12446

This is also cited in the reference that is currently used. But the specific claim about a study that showed great differences in life expectancy currently isn't supported by the citation. In fact, this review (from 2018) does not even include a study from 2015, so I have no idea where that claim is coming from.

(Should this be an edit request or a more general comment? With the current source, this sentence should really just be deleted, and maybe replaced by a more general statement.)Valentinwust (talk) 10:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done I've removed the relevant statement as the supporting source was just the claim on the page in a blog-like post that experts supposedly write. Irrespective of if the expert actually wrote it, that doesn't make it authoritative within of itself. I didn't search for the 2015 study myself, so if any editor finds it I have no objections to re-inclusion. —Sirdog (talk) 22:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Father’s age- advanced paternal age is also a factor but not reported in this article.

Father’s age is also a factor but not reported in this article. Advanced Paternal age is present in most Down Syndrome births. Studies are available. 96.55.165.226 (talk) 16:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

If you can pull some of the studies together and present them as reliable sources, it can be added in. Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:53, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Ramasamy R, Chiba K, Butler P, Lamb DJ. Male biological clock: A critical analysis of advanced paternal age. Fertil Steril. 2015;103:1402–1406. doi: 10.1016/j.fertnstert.2015.03.011. Xx236 (talk) 10:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Used info from source given - only states in some 10% of births. Thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 13:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Advocacy groups

Some groups are listed, some are not. Perhaps a List of ... should be created or a Category? Xx236 (talk) 10:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Infobox picture

Hi, The picture in the infobox is not an actual picture of a person with down syndrome. I own all the pictures on the following site and would be happy to provide one so that it is an actual depiction of a person with down syndrome rather than a characture image which is not as accurate. www.collegeboundT21.com. I suggest the picture with 4 children of differing ages representing both male and female. I can submit the image in jpg if needed. Thank you.

[4] CBT21 (talk) 20:05, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

That is a great picture. Do you have rights to the photo? If so, please upload it to Wikipedia so it can be used. NadineLive (talk) 01:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

THank you Nadine, I have uploaded it. Yes I have full rights to the photo and approve its usage. FamilyPhotos-28 (3) CBT21 (talk) 19:10, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Nadine, Please hold I have to upload the licensing agreement as it was flagged. I will message you when it is ready. CBT21 (talk) 19:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

@CBT21: Please follow the instructions at c:COM:VRT to send in evidence of proper licensing. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Change the image, horrible representation

Please change this image. It is a really bad drawing. It’s common discussion in the Down syndrome community that these drawings are prevalent but poor representation. It’s scary to see these pictures when you get the diagnosis and see these weird sketches. When babies with Ds are in fact absolutely adorable! I’m sure hundreds of parents would willingly offer their kids’ photo for a better representation. Anything is better than this drawing. NadineLive (talk) 22:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

This image would be great. He’s a famous actor, known for his Down syndrome, so people will recognize and identify. I got it from the list of photos that are available to use: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Actors_with_Down_syndrome#/media/File%3AChris_Burke.jpg NadineLive (talk) 23:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Or here’s another option:

Down syndrome child

NadineLive (talk) 23:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

“Usual Onset” Correction

Usual Onset is: “At conception” (not “before birth”).

Here is a source:

“Down Syndrome (Trisomy 21) in Children.” Stanford Medical Children’s Health. https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=down-syndrome-trisomy-21-90-P02356. Accessed March 24, 2023. NadineLive (talk) 15:16, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2023

This sentence is misleading based on the article [31] in reference. “At the same time, their emotional and social awareness is very high.” Suggest to remove it. 193.60.93.228 (talk) 22:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: no valid reason given for the removal of sourced content. Simply stating that it's misleading doesn't help. M.Bitton (talk) 23:36, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia prohibits synthesis of published material. The cited article does not state that "emotional and social awareness is very high" among people with DS. Therefore, even if that sentence was accurate, it would be improper.

The article does state that the DS group's "global [Social Resolution Task] scores did not differ from those of the controls." From this, the article concludes that people with DS "demonstrate relatively good social reasoning skills," as compared to the control, when "matched for verbal age." However, it also states that the DS group "identified significantly fewer inappropriate situations."

Therefore, at best, this source states that adults with DS demonstrate emotional and social awareness comparable to a "typically developing" child of equal verbal age. In this study, those children had an average chronological age of 5.69.

The preceding sentence reads "As adults, their mental abilities are typically similar to those of an 8- or 9-year-old." It would probably be most accurate to say that, "They are also less able to distinguish inappropriate situations from appropriate situations, when compared to children of similar verbal ability. However, once able to correctly identify a situation as appropriate or inappropriate, adults with Down syndrome are able to explain the social rule underlying their judgment at a level comparable to those same children." 98.187.29.34 (talk) 16:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Add a hyperlink to a co-discoverer's wikipedia page

In the "history" section, please add a hyperlink on "Raymond Turpin", redirecting to his wikipedia page, like this : The discovery took place in the laboratory of Raymond Turpin at the Hôpital Trousseau in Paris, France. Jérôme Lejeune and Marthe Gautier were both his students.

Raymond Turpin wiki page is : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Turpin Silvère Couturier (talk) 15:53, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done General Ization ^Talk 15:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Gigis playhouse

Can someone make a Wikipedia page called “Gigis playhouse?” It should be a thing because it is major, but I can’t find any pages like that. It is a Down syndrome Learning center, Thanks. Parkstudioz (talk) 15:21, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I completely agree, it would be helpful to have presently active advocacy groups listed on the page. Gigi’s Playhouse is a Down Syndrome Achievement Center that has playhouses all over the US and has recently opened locations in Mexico as well to offer support to people with and families of people with Down Syndrome. 131.123.49.63 (talk) 20:25, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2023

Hey I just wanna add bobby Lee as a joke. Watch this short https://youtube.com/shorts/Yt73ekZcOS0?feature=share

You can add him in famous people part of this wiki. 37.130.62.91 (talk) 17:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia is not the place for jokes like that. ULPS (talk) 19:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2023

D)P(D) / P(+) which can be read as the probability of a fetus having Down syndrome (D) given ( 209.239.3.59 (talk) 15:07, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 17:28, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Source doesn't corroborate claim

The article says :

"As adults, their mental abilities are typically similar to those of an 8- or 9-year-old. At the same time, their emotional and social awareness is very high."

However, the source given does not corroborate the claim that their emotional and social awareness is "very high". 2A02:AA7:460B:974D:340B:50D7:2E1A:3116 (talk) 21:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

prevalence 2020

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/ncardrs-congenital-anomaly-statistics-annual-data/ncardrs-congenital-anomaly-statistics-report-2020/prevalence-t21-t18-t13 gives a prevalance rate - though, as others pointed out this is a stupid way of giving it as it is dependent on the age of the mother. AND father?? and so the rate should be given per numbers of births of 30 year olds, 40 year olds etc. and not a generalized one for the whole population which changes over time and especially with later birth ages being increasingly common. 91.154.169.156 (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2024

This is a request to change mentions of genetically/developmentally "normal" to be changed to the terms typical, i.e. genetically/developmentally typical. This is to keep up to standards with neurodiversity advocacy groups and make Wikipedia more inclusive.

List of Changes:

1. Overview, Paragraph 2: "The parents of the affected individual are usually genetically normal". Normal should be typical.

2. Cause (Overview), Paragraph 2: "The parents of the affected individual are usually genetically normal". Normal should be typical.

3. Cause (Translocation Down syndrome), Paragraph 6: " The parent with such a translocation is usually normal physically and mentally". Consider "Physically and neurologically typical,".

In addition, the use of "normal" in genetic terms I cannot comment on, as I am not a biologist and do not know the proper terminology. However, if this is purely a product of the author and not rigid genetic terminology, I would also ask any instances of this be changed to promote inclusivity. I will not include them herein, as I do not have the aforementioned knowledge and do not wish to waste anyone's time. BigSpeve (talk) 00:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Thank you for your time researching this topic and making this edit request. However, I'd want reliable sources to show that this is the standard for neurodiversity advocacy groups. I'd say some kind of consensus is also desirable. It is my experience seeing edit requests and talk pages of similarly related proposed changes that they tend to be contentious. I have zero issue with any other editor with knowledge in this subject area moving forward with this edit. —Sirdog (talk) 05:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)