Talk:Dilated cardiomyopathy

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Adding to the table of contents

I'm not quite sure how this one is done, but most pages have an external link section in their table of contents. I have a link I was hoping to post; is it possible to get this section added?

You need to read the help pages for that (specialy this and this. In brief, go to edit that page, add an epmty line, then add one line which only contains the following,
== External Links ==
then add another empty line, and then add your link. Try it in the sandbox before you try it in the original page.
The thing is, as soon as you add that section in the text, the table of contents is automatically updated and it will include the external links section.
huji—TALK 13:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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doi:/10.1016/S0140-6736(16)31713-5 JFW | T@lk 14:16, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Providing and citing pre-existing information: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Hallett#Health_complications_and_death

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Hallett#Health_complications_and_death AcidHorse (talk) 00:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You undid my edit on Dilated Cardiomyopathy

"Revision as of 09:29, 29 August 2022 

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Reverted good faith edits by AcidHorse (talk): Dental infections areca cause of endocarditis, not dilated cardiomyopathy. Please provides appropriate cites and discuss on talk page if you want to reintroduce this idea"

https://wikipedia.org/Andy_Hallett#Health_complications_and_death

And dilated cardiomyopathy is listed under cardiomyopathy on Wikipedia. I am also a patient with this condition. I can have my physician contact you if you need proof. AcidHorse (talk) 02:15, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request to edit: Conflict of Interests

There has been updated research and FDA reports regarding the link between DCM in dogs and a grain-free diet. Beyond its effect on our brand, it is important to inform dog owners about the most updated studies on the subject, to tackle misinformation and reduce anxiety. This edit is based on the most up-to-date FDA statement.

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Dogs Dilated cardiomyopathy is a heritable disease in some dog breeds, including the Boxer, Dobermann, Great Dane, Irish Wolfhound, and St Bernard. Treatment is based on medication, including ACE inhibitors, loop diuretics, and phosphodiesterase inhibitors.[citation needed] An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers. The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods, as well as legume-rich diets. For treating diet-related DCM, food changes, taurine and carnitine supplementation may be indicated even if the dog does not have a documented taurine or carnitine deficiency although the cost of carnitine supplementation may be viewed as prohibitive by some
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Dogs [edit] Dilated cardiomyopathy is a heritable disease in some dog breeds, including the Boxer, Dobermann, Great Dane, Irish Wolfhound, and St Bernard.[41] Treatment is based on medication, including ACE inhibitors, loop diuretics, and phosphodiesterase inhibitors.[citation needed] An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at [[UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine|University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine]] who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers.[42] The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods,[43] as well as legume-rich diets.[44] The FDA released updated research in 2022 stating, that with regards to non-hereditary DCM, there was no difference found in dogs fed a grain-free or grain-inclusive diet . The report concluded that there was no conclusive evidence of any specific connection between diet and non-hereditary DCM. For treating diet-related DCM, food changes, taurine and carnitine supplementation may be indicated even if the dog does not have a documented taurine or carnitine deficiency although the cost of carnitine supplementation may be viewed as prohibitive by some[45]

Sources: https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/animal-health-literacy/questions-answers-fdas-work-potential-causes-non-hereditary-dcm-dogs, https://ksvdl.org/resources/documents/dcm-forum/FDA_KSU-Science-Forum-slides_09-29-2020.pdf, https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/outbreaks-and-advisories/fda-investigation-potential-link-between-certain-diets-and-canine-dilated-cardiomyopathy

I would appreciate your consideration. ChampionPetfoods (talk) 05:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 30-AUG-2023

🔼  Clarification requested  

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Regards,  Spintendo  21:20, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I don't have much experience with Wikipedia, so some of your instructions aren't 100% clear to me. I'm not sure what I've done below is what you've requested, but I'll do what I can.
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An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers. The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods, as well as legume-rich diets. For treating diet-related DCM, food changes, taurine and carnitine supplementation may be indicated even if the dog does not have a documented taurine or carnitine deficiency although the cost of carnitine supplementation may be viewed as prohibitive by some
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An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers. The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods, as well as legume-rich diets. The FDA released updated research in 2022 stating, that with regards to non-hereditary DCM, there was no difference found in dogs fed a grain-free or grain-inclusive diet . The report concluded that there was no conclusive evidence of any specific connection between diet and non-hereditary DCM <div class="reflist " > </div>
Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 07:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Spintendo I'm not sure if you've seen this, please let me know if there is anything else I need to do here for my edit request to be considered. Thanks! Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 06:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

COI edit request: revised

This is a clarification and addition to the previous request. This addition is looking to clarify and set the record straight when it comes to Canine DCM and grain-free dog food. This is to prevent the spread of misinformation and unnecessary stress for dog owners.

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Dogs Dilated cardiomyopathy is a heritable disease in some dog breeds, including the Boxer, Dobermann, Great Dane, Irish Wolfhound, and St Bernard. Treatment is based on medication, including ACE inhibitors, loop diuretics, and phosphodiesterase inhibitors.[citation needed] An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers. The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods, as well as legume-rich diets. For treating diet-related DCM, food changes, taurine and carnitine supplementation may be indicated even if the dog does not have a documented taurine or carnitine deficiency although the cost of carnitine supplementation may be viewed as prohibitive by some
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Dilated cardiomyopathy is a heritable disease in some dog breeds, including the Boxer, Dobermann, Great Dane, Irish Wolfhound, and St Bernard. Treatment is based on medication, including ACE inhibitors, loop diuretics, and phosphodiesterase inhibitors.[citation needed] An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers. The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods, as well as legume-rich diets. In 2022, the FDA released a new update that concluded there was no statistical evidence of a specific connection or causal link between diet of a dog and non-hereditary DCM. In terms of the disease, there was no difference between dogs fed on a grain-free diet or grain-inclusive diet. For treating diet-related DCM, food changes, taurine and carnitine supplementation may be indicated even if the dog does not have a documented taurine or carnitine deficiency although the cost of carnitine supplementation may be viewed as prohibitive by some.

Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 12:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 12:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

COI edit request: revised

Please see [Dog Food] for context. This is the same phrasing. Please consider or let us know how to edit otherwise.

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Dilated cardiomyopathy is a heritable disease in some dog breeds, including the Boxer, Dobermann, Great Dane, Irish Wolfhound, and St Bernard. Treatment is based on medication, including ACE inhibitors, loop diuretics, and phosphodiesterase inhibitors.[citation needed] An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers. The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods, as well as legume-rich diets. For treating diet-related DCM, food changes, taurine and carnitine supplementation may be indicated even if the dog does not have a documented taurine or carnitine deficiency although the cost of carnitine supplementation may be viewed as prohibitive by some.
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Dilated cardiomyopathy is a heritable disease in some dog breeds, including the Boxer, Dobermann, Great Dane, Irish Wolfhound, and St Bernard. Treatment is based on medication, including ACE inhibitors, loop diuretics, and phosphodiesterase inhibitors.[citation needed] An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers. The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods, as well as legume-rich diets. In 2022, the FDA released a follow up report which superceded the 2019 research and stated that it “…does not know the specific connection between these diets and cases of non-hereditary DCM” as there was no difference found in dogs fed on a grain-free or grain-inclusive diet. For treating diet-related DCM, food changes, taurine and carnitine supplementation may be indicated even if the dog does not have a documented taurine or carnitine deficiency although the cost of carnitine supplementation may be viewed as prohibitive by some

Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 09:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC) Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 09:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: Please establish a consensus with editors engaged in the subject area before using the {{Edit COI}} template for this proposed change. I'll note here that this discussion is directly related to the one occurring at Talk:Dog food. That discussion primarily centers on the following portion of the edit request proposal: (....as there was no difference found in dogs fed on a grain-free or grain-inclusive diet.) Whether that text has been accurately conveyed from the FDA source, or whether it is an interpretation from a previously supplied (but now deleted) reference is the main concern. In any event, that portion of text here in this request is not referenced — so it can't be added to the article. A succeeding portion of text appearing in the edit request above also appears to be unreferenced: For treating diet-related DCM, food changes, taurine and carnitine supplementation may be indicated even if the dog does not have a documented taurine or carnitine deficiency although the cost of carnitine supplementation may be viewed as prohibitive by some although it's unclear if this text was carried over from the main article itself and the reference was simply forgotten. If there is a reference for it, it needs to be included on the talk page in the edit request. Regards,  Spintendo  16:46, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Spintendo the portion you mentioned was included in the article prior to our request, and does have a reference attached to it. Our request is to simply include the most up-to-date research from the FDA about non-hereditary DCM and its relation to grain-free dog food. I have included a verbatim quote from the FDA report. I will start a new topic, seeking consensus. Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 08:36, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking consensus: COI edit

Please refer to previous threads regarding proposed changes to this article. The goal of this addition is to provide information included in the most up-to-date FDA report pertaining to non-hereditary DCM in dogs, and its relation to grain-free dog food. I have included a clear indication of the addition we are seeking. I have also included the reference and a verbatim quote from the FDA report in question that supports this addition. I am seeking consensus on this edit and will provide any further information requested of me.

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An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers. The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods, as well as legume-rich diets.
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An acquired variation of dilated cardiomyopathy describing a link between certain diets was discovered in 2019 by researchers at University of California, Davis School of Veterinary Medicine who published a report on the development of dilated cardiomyopathy in dog breeds lacking the genetic predisposition, particularly in Golden Retrievers. The diets associated with DCM were described as "BEG" (boutique, exotic-ingredient, and/or grain-free) dog foods, as well as legume-rich diets. In 2022, the FDA released a follow up report which superseded the 2019 research and stated that it “…does not know the specific connection between these diets and cases of non-hereditary DCM” as there was no difference found in dogs fed on a grain-free or grain-inclusive diet".

Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 08:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC) Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 08:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

no Declined The changes that you've requested here mirror identically the issues discussed over at Talk:Dog food. I left substantial feedback regarding those issues. Suffice it to say, everything I mentioned on that page that posed an obstacle to implementing the edit request goes the same here. When we take snippets of text from a report and present them as "the report" when it's really two or three sentences of the least informative parts of that report (such as the FDA reiterating the difficulties in finding a reliable connection between the disease and the diet) while making what appears to be, with this third request, somewhat of a concerted effort to avoid the more informative parts of that FDA report. If it was overlooked by you once or twice, maybe, but with a third time, this runs the risk of appearing to other editors as disingenuous, and I wouldn't want your request to resemble anything like that. I'm hoping you'll read the feedback at the dog food talk page and take my suggestions to heart, in order to prevent any inadvertent appearances of cherry picking information from the FDA report. Regards,  Spintendo  11:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ "Questions & Answers: FDA's Work on Potential Causes of Non-Hereditary DCM in Dogs". FDA. 07/26/23. Retrieved 10/09/23. The FDA does not know the specific connection between these diets and cases of non-hereditary DCM and is continuing to explore the role of genetics, underlying medical conditions, and/or other factors. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |access-date= and |date= (help)
  2. ^ Coile, Caroline (07/15/23). "Dilated Cardiomyopathy in Dogs: Closer to Solving the Mystery?". American Kennel Club. American Kennel Club. Retrieved 10/09/23. Researchers still don't know exactly what causes it, but they've made progress. At first, grain-free diets were blamed, but further investigation revealed some grain-free diets seem to have no ill effects. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |access-date= and |date= (help)
  3. ^ "Questions & Answers: FDA's Work on Potential Causes of Non-Hereditary DCM in Dogs". fda.gov. FDA. 2023-07-26. Retrieved 2023-10-22. The FDA does not know the specific connection between these diets and cases of non-hereditary DCM and is continuing to explore the role of genetics, underlying medical conditions, and/or other factors.
  4. ^ "Questions & Answers: FDA's Work on Potential Causes of Non-Hereditary DCM in Dogs". fda.gov. FDA. 2023-07-26. Retrieved 2023-10-23. Most of the diets associated with the reports of non-hereditary DCM have legume seed ingredients, also called "pulses" (e.g., peas, lentils, etc.), high in their ingredient lists (although soy is a legume, we did not see a signal associated with this ingredient). These include both "grain-free" and grain-containing formulations. Legumes, including pulse ingredients, have been used in pet foods for many years, with no evidence to indicate they are inherently dangerous, but analysis of data reported to CVM indicates that pulse ingredients are used in many "grain-free" diets in greater proportion than in most grain-containing formulas. FDA has asked pet food manufacturers to provide diet formulations so we can further understand the proportions of ingredients in commercially-available diets and possible relationships with non-hereditary DCM. The FDA does not know the specific connection between these diets and cases of non-hereditary DCM and is continuing to explore the role of genetics, underlying medical conditions, and/or other factors.
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