Talk:Cannabis

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Less than helpful illustration subtitle

The illustration in the section "recreational use" has a description reading: "Comparison of physical harm and dependence regarding various drugs". However, the graph there shows active/lethal dose ratio (i.e. how much you'd have to consume for fatal effects, vs how much will do to get you the desired effect) and potential addictive qualities of several "drugs". Meaning that physical harm as such isn't adressed but onyl potential lethality, which obviously can be pre-faced by a lot of physcial harm short of dying. This isn't necessarily the case for Cannabis but as the the section in general could benefit from some more research as to the psycho-social impacts of cannabis consumption, this comes quite close to intentionally confusing the reader. Even reducing the discussion of adverse effect to bodily harm proper is reductive to the point of being apologetic, but boiling it down even further to lethality is flat out denial. Hello people

Consolidate cannabis information

There is a lot of information about cannabis’ psychoactive effects throughout this article. How about we consolidate all that information into a new section, titled “psychoactive effects”? LeetToTheBeatMakeItRoar (talk) 12:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

revert required

can someone please revert the last three edits made to this article by the user Deisenbe? they've uncapitalised the genus name at various points in the article. the genus is Cannabis and a specific species would be Cannabis sativa etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.200.164 (talk) 17:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thank you very much! CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {CX}) 11:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
thank you!! :) 82.3.200.164 (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated taxonomy (redux)

The taxonomic debate of whether the genus Cannabis is monotypic, or if any genetically distinct subspecies/varieties of Cannabis sativa are recognised, has previously been raised on these talk pages (most recent discussion in 2016, and the issue raised again without response in 2021).

In addition to the 2021 genomic study provided earlier, the 2023 literature reviews (here and here) and some major taxonomic databases now support a single polymorphic species concept for Cannabis without recognising any subordinate taxa (FNA, POWO, WFO), and others split to ssp/var (CoL/GBIF, EoL, ITIS, NCBI) or separate species based on Hillig, 2004 (GRIN).

Previous discussions focused on renaming C. indica and C. ruderalis as ssp/var. Recent evidence suggests that they are now best considered as synonyms of C. sativa. Should the various articles now be merged to reflect this view?

Pinging previous discussion participants: @Plantdrew, @Peter coxhead, @Nosferattus, @MCEllis, @zzz, @Dennis Brown, @120minutes, @GeorgeLTirebiter, @Chondrite, @Centrx, @Djlayton4, @Simonapro, @Salix alba, @HighInBC. Loopy30 (talk) 15:18, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than merging all the articles, perhaps it would be best to treat C. sativa, C. indica, and C. ruderalis as cultivars. Regardless, we really, really need to update our taxonomy to reflect the consensus view that all cannabis is a single species. Nosferattus (talk) 15:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's becoming impossible to maintain articles on separate species when the marijuana industry (at least in the US) uses "Indica" and "Sativa" with opposite meanings from how botanists have applied the terms. Potential readers are more likely to encounter the industry definitions than the botanical ones. My other concern with the industry terms is that they are used with genetic ratios that are biologically impossible (although this seems to be becoming less prevalent in recent years, AK-47 (cannabis) cites a 2001 source for it having a indica/sativa ratio of 65:35). Plantdrew (talk) 19:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see that Plants of the World Online now treats Cannabis as a monotypic genus with a single species Cannabis sativa. I think we should do the same. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:19, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

Based on the discussion above, I propose merging Cannabis sativa, Cannabis indica and Cannabis ruderalis into Cannabis. The most recent literature on the subject no longer supports splitting Cannabis sativa into separate subspecies or varieties and the genus is now accepted as monotypic by the primary database for flowering plants (Plants of the World). Loopy30 (talk) 02:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree and think they should remain separate so there can be a dedicated article of focus for each. These species are clearly different and need to be separated as such. There has been hundreds of years of documentation that they are uniquely separate. They are physically distinct (size, shape, leaf, physical appearance) from each other and the grow differently from each other. The instructions for growing a Cannabis Sativa is not the same as growing a Cannabis ruderalis because they're different. Not to mention how much longer of a book Cannabis would need to be to further explain all these differences unless your saying we should pretend they're all the same thing, but they're not the same thing. Gettinglit (talk) 22:30, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree 2601:C7:4203:8AB0:D5A2:6494:ADC6:116C (talk) 23:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. These are completely different subjects, and should NOT be merged. The article Cannabis is about the plant, itself. The three "species" articles, Sativa, Indica, Ruderalis, are about three major, broad varieties, and they warrant separate articles, themselves, whether or not agreement exists about the three (actually four, let's not forget Feral cannabis) actually belonging to the same species classification, scientifically. - The Hammer of Thor (talk) 20:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would support merging the three, or otherwise renaming the pages for C. sativa, C. indica and C. ruderalis to indicate that they are varieties of one species. 2604:3D08:7582:300:A113:552F:B7D8:71AB (talk) 06:40, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep them separate! Redefining the level of a taxon doesn't alter or remove relative distinctions between their constituents. UpdateNerd (talk) 07:31, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]