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Perambulators, more commonly abbreviated to "pram", (known in the US baby carriages) and buggies (US=strollers) are still widely used in the UK, Western Europe and Australasia. All terrain buggies (3 wheelers) are becoming popular in the UK. Traditional pushchairs have not been as prevalent in recent years, apart from from a type of multi-purpose pram that adapts into pushchair as the baby becomes a toddler. A child carrier such as the one pictured fits is more closely to a baby sling, also in Wikipedia, as the baby is held against the body. A baby carriage/pram/pushchair/buggy/stroller is pushed, whereas child carrier, child sling or child pouch is carried.
Need something on "double buggies", on those sporty tricycle types and on the importance of the perambuator in Victorian England. Rich Farmbrough 09:42, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
In the fun-facts section, the line -- "Its a busy life in Camelot, I have to push the pram a lot" -- has a mistake. It should be it's not its. Metlin 02:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm removing the fun facts section. Besides being unencyclopedic (although I hate that term), it's almost all speculation. I could just as easily speculate that the line about the pram just means the song's authors needed a god rhyme with "Camelot," and "pram a lot" fit and offered a funny mental image as an unexpected extra. Fishal 04:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Prams still in use
Here in Denmark, prams are very much still in use, so the phrase "Now prams are very rarely used..." is probably a bit of an overstatement. Supermagle 12:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed!! In Denmark as well as in many parts of Europe Prams are used quite a bit. Americans also use prams, but usually only for the first months after a baby is born. Prams are more of a luxury in the US. Sarah.henderson 15:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
03:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)~
- How about an explanation of why Brits call baby cribs "cots." In America babies are pushed in strollers, not carriages. That is an outdated term no longer used. Baby joggers are also sold now as one of many types of stroller. I think the Python song should be added back in.
- Americans understand the term baby carriage, but it isn't often used, stroller is the most commonly used term. I haven't seen in a long time the type where the baby is facing the person pushing the stroller.--RLent (talk) 15:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Use of seat belt with cots
How to use the seat belts with cots ?. --HybridBoy 21:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
So, up 'til today, Child carrier had been proposed to be merged with this article, but no discussion had been held. Well, now I'm hoping to start that discussion, as well as include the article Stroller history, which ought to be merged here.
First of all, to Child carrier, there's the name, which is a loose synonym of "Baby transport". The article itself is primarily concerned with "on-the-body" baby carriers and forms a loose bridge between this article and Baby sling. If the content from Child carrier is merged here, I think we would have a much more comprehensive, cohesive discussion of the general concept of baby transport.
Now, as to Stroller history, the article consists entirely of what would form the "history" section of a subsection of this article. There aren't many, if any, references to speak of. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 15:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Pram and strollers in buses
From the aritlce:
The term carrycot became more common in the UK after the introduction of lighter units with detachable baby carriers in the 1970s.
This implies that carry-cots only came into use in Britain the 1970s. That is not true see:
- "Southwick props crew need 1950s carry-cot", Shoreham Herald, 2 March 2013 "The props crew at The Southwick Players are having trouble finding an authentic portable carry-cot from the period for their black comedy, Losing Louis. Sally Diver said: We have one from the ’70s but it just isn’t right and someone is bound to notice."
- Chipperfield, John (28 March 2011), "Carrycots just the job for meals on wheels", Oxford Mail "Members of the Women’s Voluntary Service issued an urgent appeal for the baby-carrying contraptions which were popular in the 1950s and 1960s."
Carry-cots became particularly useful to parents when those parents had cars (and given the role genderization of the 1950 more so when the mother drove herself). So the affluent young parents in Britain used carry-cots for the 1950s onwards. However their usage became more widespread as car ownership became more common among parents perhaps that is why the 1970s are mentioned in this article.
It will be difficult to prove the link between car ownership and carry-cots unless someone has written a specific reliable article on it, but as above there are reliable sources that show that carry cots were "popular in the 1950s and 1960s." -- PBS (talk) 12:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Buggies and pushchairs
This is WP:OR:
"Pushchair" is the usual term in the UK, but is becoming increasingly replaced by buggy
As I said in an edit an edit I made in February 2011: Buggy is shorter than "pushchair" and as it is easier to say is much more common in speech that push chair, which tends to be used in writing. Eg: "do not leave pushchairs in the corridor".
The problem is that it is unlikely that anyone has done a survey of changes in frequency of use, so without such a published survey whether on term is "becoming increasingly replaced by" another is OR, so better to leave it out and just make it clear that both terms are used, and are equally valid. -- PBS (talk) 12:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Too big for a stroller? Maximum age
The article says in one place that some of these devices are used up to age 3 and in another place that it is up to age 4. In current practice in the US, parents push much older children around in strollers. There was  website which was profiled in Salon, which shamed parents for pushing around children who were "too big" such as 5, 6 or older. It got a  backlash from moms who said that maybe the child is a tall 3 year old, or that it is too hard to walk 1/2 mile to the park or store with a 4 year old, or that they have a baby and a 4 year old and they want to push them in a stroller rather than take a car, or that the child might have some disability. The "too big" side notes school age children in strollers, who are obese, and who do not gain endurance and coordination. I see parents pushing "triple strollers" with children aged perhaps 5, 3 and 2. Certainly a 4 year old might get tired walking and want to be picked up, or would require some supervision if able to run around in a store, so pushing him in a stroller may be easier tha holding his hand and walking with him. The article should reflect that some parents choose to push a child who is quite capable of walking, because it is convenient or because the child prefers it, resulting perhaps in sedentary children less able to walk any distance. Edison (talk) 16:28, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- That notation about age is pretty useless. The grows-with-them strollers are being made much like the grows-with-them car seats now - designed to allow for transporting kids to a certain size not a certain age. There's even a kind with a sitting section for smaller babies or toddlers and a standing position for your older kids. And I have literally never heard it suggested by anyone in my life, that strollers are intended only for children who cannot yet walk well on their own. The general consensus on when to stop using a stroller is when the child is too big to sit in it comfortably, or when they have no patience for being in it.
- I also don't think there's any reason to assume that pushing an older child in a stroller results in sedentary children, unless there is adequate research connecting childhood obesity (an 'epidemic' that some studies show is being highly overblown) or similar issues to later stroller usage. Most kids do not get their physical activity in going to the store, a market, a shopping mall or at other venues where you're likely to see a stroller - in those locations they are encouraged to stay put next to their parent/guardian. Their main physical activity is at play, not while their parents are shopping. And there are indications that children of older parents have better outcomes in their health and healthy living - older parents are likely to have an even harder time carrying around a 5 year old if they get too tired to walk.
- The notation about age should be removed altogether, because it seems to be an entirely arbitrary number. Strollers aren't rated for age, they are rated for weight. Even car seat laws now use age as a general guideline, but go on height and/or weight for the final rulings. It just depends on how far your child deviates, up or down, from the 'standard' measurements for their age group, whether it's appropriate to use such apparatus for them. CleverTitania (talk) 10:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
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