Talk:Amputation

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Alien

Why is there a picture of an alien in the beginning of this article? 71.255.253.219 04:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Things like that is considered vandalism and should be deleted and reported ASAP. Montgomery' 39 17:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montgomery '39 (talk • contribs)

foot

Is the picture of the infected foot really necessary? I suspect some readers will find it extremely disturbing. And it doesn't seem to add anything to the article. I suggest it be removed. -Danorris 03:49, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree. But I think a suitable replacement picture should be found before it is deleted.DanP 18:17, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Removed—it really was disturbing, and added nothing to the text. If no suitable picture is available, then by definition the article goes without. —Simon 00:51, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

inquiry into first picture

who is the girl in the picture? it might be relevant whether her amputation was done deliberately or was necessary.Evilbu 22:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Accidental Amputation

No word on accidental amputation? Mines... industrial accidents... etc.? What about the effects of such accidents... shock, blood loss, etc.?Angrynight 15:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Amputechture

I am a fan of The Mars Volta, and I read on a forum about their album's title that amputechture was a filmy substance that builds up after an amputation. Is this true?

No, it is a made up word.
It is amputation and architecture. As in artistic amputation. MM

Body integrity identity disorder

Is it worth mentioning Body integrity identity disorder here? I actually came to this page looking for it because I didn't remember what the disorder was called.142.59.135.116 06:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it should be. MM


Dog

Are the pictures of the dog necessary? I don't think that they add anything to the page. I could understand if they illustrated improvement after an amputation, next do a brief description, but as it is it appears like someones pet that they want on the internet... MM 

         Everyone likes cute animals, hopefully that can make them feel less disturbed by some of the other photos.

misinformation

only saudi arabia of all Islamic countries preform amputation as a punishment for crimes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.54.184.83 (talk) 22:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]


minor amputations or mutilations as a ritual accomplishment =?= circumcision

"In some cultures and religions, minor amputations or mutilations are considered a ritual accomplishment." Does this include circumcision? If so, it should be internally linked to within the text or under see also. Regards, —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, just saw it has been added and reverted already. —KNcyu38 (talk • contribs) 13:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction of the Dactyly article

This article contradicts the Dactyly article, which says:

Hypodactyly is having too few digits when not caused by an amputation.

Then when you click on the link, it tells you that the condition is caused by "the removal of a body extremity by trauma (also referred to as avulsion) or surgery". Keshidragon 22:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well...then remove the reference in the aputation article....the other page should be right. Patrick Flynn

I'm sorry, but I don't see the contradition. When you have to few digits not due to amputation (i.e., congenitally) then it's hypodactyly. When you have a body extremity (including fingers) removed by trama or surgery, then it's amputation (that is, too few fingers due to amputation). In one case, you are born with it, in the other it's a surgical procedure, and the hypodactyly article is simply making it clear that too fingers due to amputation does not count as hypodactyly. Where's the contradition there? Edhubbard 08:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More detail?

I know very little about how wikipedia actually works, so I hope I don't violate any rules of wikipedia here. The only edits I've done on other articles have been basic grammar corrections.

I go to wikipedia for a quick refernce on everything. So I ended up here when I found out my brother-in-law is about to have his left leg amputated and I wanted some idea of what was involved. I came to wikipedia, as always, for a basic idea of what this involves, and I've found it a shade wanting. How the process actually works and side-effects (other than phantom limb) are entirely untouched. This article even includes a dead link to "transected". I have no idea what "transected" means.

While I know this page isn't a FAQ, allow me to propose some ideas that could be addressed: What does amputation actually involve? In the dark ages we propbably just cut everything off with an axe, but I'd imagine times have changed. This doesn't seem to be addressed in the article. And a couple more points:

While the article mentions the side-effect of phantom limbs, I'd imagins there are a lot more side-effects. Can these be discussed in the article?

How does the circulovasculatory system compensate for a loss in distribution area?

I didn't see anything in the article about how amputation in actually performed. I think the article would do well to point out how amputation is done now as well in the past.

I don't mean this as a criticism at all. The article as a whole sticks to NPOV, and has a lot of detail, but I feel that it really could be expanded and I'm not qualified to do it.

I'm going to whack ~ a few times and hope that's hope I actually 'sign' this comment. 75.163.180.24 06:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a Physio interested in learning more about amputations, in order to treat a patient with a trans-femoral amputation, I started my search here, and feel that there are quite a few topics missing. I would like to know more about the surgery involved - how are the muscles reattached, what are the considerations when deciding where to cut (other than to remove all damaged/infected tissue), what happens to the nerve endings, how is a good blood supply maintained in the stump (does a capilliary bed form naturally or is it constructed)? etc. I had understood that peripheral vascular disease was the main cause of amputation - this cause is not cited (or is sepsis with peripheral necrosis the same thing - perhaps UK v US language?) The list of famous amputees does not seem to include anyone who has lost limbs due to PVD. When looking up PVD when I first came across it at Uni, I remember a shocking picture of a patient who had just had a bilateral upper limb amputation, whose 'friend' had rigged up a devise to enable him to smoke, using a metal coathanger - this might be an appropriate addition to the article if anyone knows where to find it. I understand that neuroma can be a problem with amputation - could there be a link to this topic perhaps? Also, are the flesh coloured foam coverings used over prosthetic lower limbs also called cosmeses as they don't seem to be the same thing as described in the article, as they are fairly basic and only really give the prosthesis a basically similar shape to a natural limb, and they still look artificial even at a distance? My patient says that the walls of the amputees clinic are covered with awe inspiring pictures of people wearing prosthetic limbs using climbing walls, fixing lorries (soldiers)etc - could some positive images like these be included?Skphysio (talk) 14:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Amputation and Islamic Law

I changed "some Islamic authourities are calling for a moratorium upon [corporal punishment] until equality, welfare and social justice exist in the Muslim world, as stealing out of desperation, deprivation or adverse social circumstances should not be punished" (emphasis mine), since the italicised clause did not seem to derive from the article cited. Based on the cited article about an Islamic scholar, I replaced the italicised clause with, "pending developments in Islamic law." --72.150.58.61 (talk) 00:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting needed?

I'm wondering why there is a copyedit tag on this page. Sure, it may need some additional information, but the article is on the whole fairly well written IMO. I'm removing the copyedit tag for the time being, as I see no real reason for it to remain. If you want additional information to be added, please use the appropriate tag.KaylaraOwl (talk) 19:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List

The list is getting a bit long - I propose splitting it off into a separate article or turning it into a category. The 'in fiction' section needs each to be sourced and to be thinned out to the most notable. Brilliantine (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

straw poll for image adition

A - Amputated begging in Berlin
Amputated soldier trying a phrostetic leg
File:Kersnovskaya Amputation 9 51.jpg
brutal amputation in russian Gulag, for torturing purposes

This article has no images. Please vote:

  • A - amputated begging
  • B - amputated soldier trying a phrostetic limb
  • C - brutal torture with amputation
  • D - none of these images is adequate

--Enric Naval (talk) 05:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • D - We could go with B in a pinch but I am sure there are better images out there. I believe that A and C are inappropriate as general illustrations of the concept. What we need is a simple, clear image showing a person with an amputation. - EronTalk 05:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you new Russian you would understand that C (Kersnovskaya's picture) is not a picture of either torture or amputation but it is putting a broken arm of a prisoner in a plaster cast! Yes, it is painful since it is being performed without anethestization. Kersnovskaya worked as a nurse in a prison camp and helped to perform such procedures.

Olegwiki (talk) 06:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


These are the only ones I could find in Commons :( Maybe in a couple years there will be better ones... --Enric Naval (talk) 07:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What about all those three-legged dog pictures? Okay, I'm kidding. I agree there is not a lot on Commons but there may be other free pictures out there. Or perhaps some Wikipedian with an amputation (or who knows someone) could get a picture and contribute it. (After all, there seems to be no shortage of people willing to offer up pictures of their genitals to illustrate the appropriate articles...) - EronTalk 16:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At the end I went ahead and added two images that I hadn't noticed when I opened the straw poll:

Can someone move them around a bit so they don't break the format? I'm not very good at placing photographies.... --Enric Naval (talk) 08:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another possibility

A girl who had her limbs amputed after meningitis infection

Fences and windows (talk) 00:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And here's some from Flickr:

Could Neoplasm..

Could neoplasm be changed to cancer? I know it's the same thing but not everybody knows what a neoplasm is.- BennyK95 - Talk 23:09, October 8 2009 (UTC)



Notable amputee of person

I took the liberty to delete "Jamel Debbouze— Popular French actor and comedian; lost his right hand while crossing a railway in childhood." from the notable amputee list. Jamel Debouzze lost the use of his arm in this accident, but wasn't amputated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1001Bob (talk • contribs) 21:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Iran

Googling amputation iran gives a good bunch of recent amputations of thieves in Iran. As recently as 2008 the NYT reported that amputation was a legal punishment since 1979[1]. If this punishment is outlawed in Iran, then please cite sources for the outlawing. --Enric Naval (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Notable amputees

See also: Category:Amputees

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC) [reply]

References

  1. ^ Natalie du Toit ready to make Olympic history. Retrieved November 5, 2009.
  2. ^ Hart, Simon (May 4, 2008). "Dreams carry Natalie du Toit to Beijing". The Daily Telegraph. London. Archived from the original on 2010-11-18. Retrieved April 23, 2010. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

This article is a stub

Okay, not really. But wouldn't that be great? Justintbassett (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, no. Not only is the article, factually, not a stub, but thinking that it would be funny is offensive to the 1.7 million people in the U.S. (and certainly more worldwide) who are amputees [2]. These people are soldiers, firefighters, police officers, people with diabetes and hundreds of thousands of average people who have lost limbs in horrific circumstances. This a medical article, and is not the place for schoolboy humor. Edhubbard (talk) 21:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a problem with stubs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.3.18.107 (talk) 06:12, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

A merge has been requested.

I am new to wikipedia, so I dont know the proper polite protocol to do this. But I would like to ask, how is this page different from the page on "amputation"?

Should this page be merged?

Shon Lee (talk) 05:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

formatted and assisted by Cliff (talk) 15:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the merge is a good idea, neither article is too long, and the information in each article complements the other very well. Cliff (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What page merge to what page? --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Found it merge away. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:22, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks doc, didn't realize that the merge isn't clear here. The proposal is to merge Traumatic amputation to Amputation. Cliff (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My verge was reverted because Cliff thought I lost too much information. I understand the need for discussion, so here is a few thoughts I have about what I have done and what I might have missed. The causes, classification, and treatment sections of [traumatic amputation] is very well covered in [amputation] so, I believe no significant loss of information there. I left out the Indications - Contraindications section.I cant find the source it was referencing. I think that section needs a lot more work. For the Epidemiology section, I added a statistic similar to the first statistic in the traumatic amputation article from a different source, and I neglected the second one about distribution of amputees on profession. I might have missed out some advances in amputation outlined in the introduction as well.Shon Lee (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose the merge. The concept of traumatic amputation is much different than the condition of medical amputation done under controlled circumstances. --Arcadian (talk) 13:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think if you remove the advances in medical amputation, the section about social amputation, the "treatments section", which is mostly covered in the amputations article, the remaining article would be so short that we should merge it anyway. Maybe give it a subsection in amputation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shon Lee (talk • contribs) 19:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support a merge (possibly a subsection - subsections for above knee, below knee and arm amputations would also be useful). I've been editing a lot of Paralympic athletes pages, including those of several traumatic amputees. All have been wikilinked to amputation rather than traumatic amputation. Sportygeek (talk) 22:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The content of the article is in entirety contained within this article. As the merge request has been placed for over two years I can only conclude that there have been no significant objections. In this light I have completed the merge. LT90001 (talk) 11:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject

I added WikiProject Medicine, with Quality = B, Importance = High. I would've put it at Top Importance, but I figured that that would be too bold, given that I was just adding a WikiProject. Okay?--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 14:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I meant WikiProject Disability.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 02:26, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Epidemiology

There were 1,285,000 persons in the U.S. living with the limb loss (excluding fingers and toes) in 1996. 50,000 new amputations every year in USA based on information from National Center for Health Statistics.[3]

In 2015, there were 1.5 million amputees in the USA. [4]

Another source: There are nearly 2 million people living with limb loss in the United States. (Source: Ziegler‐Graham K, MacKenzie EJ, Ephraim PL, Travison TG, Brookmeyer R. Estimating the Prevalence of Limb Loss in the United States: 2005 to 2050. Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation2008;89(3):422‐9.) Approximately 185,000 amputations occur in the United States each year. (Source: Owings M, Kozak LJ, National Center for Health S. Ambulatory and Inpatient Procedures in the United States, 1996. Hyattsville, Md.: U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Health Statistics; 1998.) - [5]

—  Ark25  (talk) 20:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Amputation in popular culture

"some countries", really? Not Islamic countries with sharia?

They are not "some countries". They are Islamic countries that are ruled with sharia. Refer to them as what they are. They aren't just random countries. You cannot refer to human rights violation as "some countries" and their diverse cultural laws. This is human rights violation by the sharia law of Islamic countries. 

All cats are british (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sharia Law is a vague term that applies to both criminal and non-criminal law. There are countries using Sharia law that do not use amputation as punishment, and frankly a discussion of the scope that this topic may need is outside the realm of the opening paragraph of an article about amputation. -Tax Fraud! [she/they] (talk | contrib.) 19:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then don't list the countries if you're not going to mention their religious law. All cats are british (talk) 22:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They all are Islamic countries, not some random countries. Interesting how other language Wikipedia articles on amputation mention that they are Islamic countries? All cats are british (talk) 22:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What other wikis do is irrelevant to this article. However, since it seems to be such a contentious point, I will remove the list of countries from the leading paragraph. -Tax Fraud! [she/they] (talk | contrib.) 16:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Better now All cats are british (talk) 17:57, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Archaeologists find successful amputee from about 31,000 years ago

There is no section on history in the article. Perhaps it would be a good addition, especially in light of this new study.

Peaceray (talk) 18:37, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ritual amputations of fingers are apparently depicted in many cave paintings as well. Jarble (talk) 00:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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